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"Who made God?" need answer for my daughter

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We are very new Christians, just within the last few months. I have been learning alongside my children. We have two books, Old and New Testaments for Children.
My eight year old daughter has asked me repeatedly "If God made the whole world and the whole universe, who made God? Where did He come from?"

I don't know how to answer this question. Insights for a child, please?
 

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We are very new Christians, just within the last few months. I have been learning alongside my children. We have two books, Old and New Testaments for Children.
My eight year old daughter has asked me repeatedly "If God made the whole world and the whole universe, who made God? Where did He come from?"

I don't know how to answer this question. Insights for a child, please?

Please read Genesis chapter 1 and part of Genesis chapter 2 for the making of the Heavens and the Earth and everything in it.
Genesis 1
Genesis 2

John 1:1-3
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." ~ King James Version

God always has been and always was and is. Nothing and no one created Him. :clap:
 
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I will share my answer that i gave in another forum i was active (i dealt the same question and hope you will benefit)

What created God? God is free from time and space so this is out of scientific debate. Just as Neo Darwinist respectfully step aside from answering chemical evolution this question is something i leave to ''faith''. After all the first pillar of Islam has a purpose doesn't it (relate this as Faith into your religion of Christianity when explaining to someone)? Something caused something to happen even the big bang has to have a cause and then that cause has to have a another cause and we can take turns and turns on this type of discussions. My intelligence cannot define God. If an engineer leaves his structure to prove his existence, the structure alone is all what we got to understand the engineer. The engineer and the material the engineer is made out of will not be answered through materials of the structure alone but indeed the structure bare witness to the engineer and this is why ''faith'' is the first and most important pillar. But just because we cannot define God through his creations we cannot conclude that God does not exist. So lets move to the next stage (concluding from what we can measure).

Main argument that non-believers bring is that there is no evidence to prove that God exist

When you look at a painting, definitely you think of a painter. Should I explain the paintings behind our DNA and sequence hypothesis, the brain Cells and its central nerve system, distance from sun, the amount of gravity, earth’s rotation speed.

If you walked into Dubai or even looked at a simple water bottle it’s impossible to think there is no intelligence behind it.

Who has created what we have not created? Such as the human eye which is among the most complex organs in the body, it perceives 7-10 million colors through a synaptic flash (one tenth of a second) and also many other remarkably wonderful creations. As you know the least complex cell would consist of 100s of specific protein and amino acids placed in right order for DNA and RNA to transfer, transcript and pass the information.

You can look at a paper flower and imagine this was created, but is it a crime to look at a real flower and think this was created? Also if you look deep into the flower and its micro structure it has 1000s of patterns and transfer of information which is the reason the flower and its plant has survived and reproduced for a long time. It’s both beautiful and smart at the same time.

A complex design points to a deliberate designer, I believe there has been fine tuning in order for these to exist.

If the earth rotated a bit faster or slower the result would be too cold, too hot or too much of storms. Size of earth and its corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of gases, if Earth was smaller the atmosphere would be impossible and if Earth was larger it would contain free hydrogen making life quite impossible. The planets around our earth which we have clearly observed has proven that different sizes, different distances from the sun etc cannot produce the same outcome or complex life (or any life at all) with millions of micro to macro creatures even though we know that it all came from the same elementary particles. Even at a speed of 67000 mph it manages to keep its position at the exact distance. There can be similar observations such as earth in other such massive bodies and the question is who designed the entire planetary systems.

Well it just happened by chance? That alone does not sound like science. Don’t you see good design around? There is nothing wrong to question a designer. Order in the universe implies an organizer. It is governed by rational laws. Think of the concept of symbiotic factory which is an ecological and economically brilliant concept. Certain symbiotic factories do exist in our universe and the first that you can look into would the cycle of Respiration and Photosynthesis. Every moment we breathe in O2 and give out CO2 which is taken in by plants which continues to give out O2. Such a symbiotic factory only leads into intelligence or fine tuning. Waste product of one factory completely acts as a raw material for the other.

How this order came? Uniform laws of nature connotes an intelligent law maker. Much of life may seem uncertain but look at things we can count. Gravity remains constant, hot cup of tea will get cold and earth rotates the same in 24 hours. Such are the identified laws of nature that are constant. Can reliability or Order exist without a fine tuning?

Richard Feynman (Nobel Prize, Quantum electrodynamics) said ‘’Why nature is mathematical is a mystery. The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle’’

You are free to think of a law without lawmaker, but it’s completely rational to think of a law with a lawmaker.

Designer >> Organizer >> Law-Maker = Creator

Well the nature is working automatically, but that does not imply denying the need of a creator. God is not a sentimental unscientific argument. The term automatically does not mean absence of a controller at all but rather absence of knowledge of the controller. If you see a robot that works automatically what it means is the machine does not require continuous interaction from the operator but still there is an operator who activates the machine and monitors it’s working. So the machine is the entire universe or everything that our limited knowledge can understand but can we use the machine to define its creator? Time, Space etc are things ''we'' use to identify patterns in this remote machine God created but God alone is free from Time and Space so there is no way of understanding the nature of God through his creation. We only have the iphone to guess how Steve Jobs looked like in this situation :), can the metal, glass, circuits in a iphone give us an idea about the flesh, blood and DNA of Steve Jobs? no. So we cannot use the universe to get an idea to understand what God is made out of.

Simple answer you can give to her is, kiddo God is free from time and space :)

Expert, Remote yet invisible programming of God has been evident. Francis Collins, Lord Kelvin etc. are examples of people who were forced by science to believe in God

Max Planck said ‘’For religion God is at the beginning, For Science God is at the end’’
 
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We are very new Christians, just within the last few months. I have been learning alongside my children. We have two books, Old and New Testaments for Children.
My eight year old daughter has asked me repeatedly "If God made the whole world and the whole universe, who made God? Where did He come from?"

I don't know how to answer this question. Insights for a child, please?

Tell her something like this:

"Some of the things God made are invisible: gravity is invisible, wind is invisible, feelings are invisible — we can see the effect of gravity if we drop something on the ground, or if we try to jump up into the sky; we can see a tree's branches being blown by the wind; we can sometimes see how someone feels by looking at their face.

"One of the invisible things God made is Time.

"We can look at the time on a clock; we can look at a calendar to see what day and year and month it is; we can use words like 'yesterday', 'today' and 'tomorrow'. And we can talk about the past, the present, the future. We can talk about 'starting' and 'finishing' things. And we can talk about 'the beginning' of something, and 'the end' of something, such as a song, or a movie, or a person's life. All of those things exist, because Time exists. But Time only exists because God created it.

"So, if God created Time, then He existed before it. This means He was around before beginnings and endings existed. So, He did not 'begin' to exist one day, and His existence will not 'end' one day. He will always be there. He always has been there.

"It sounds very strange to us, because most of the time we think of life as something which begins when we're very little, and ends when we get old. So we can't imagine what it feels like to not have a beginning or ending. But for God, it feels very normal. So even if it seems confusing, don't worry too much about it. The important thing is to keep trusting Him and doing your best to follow Him."

Let me know how it goes. :D
 
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We are very new Christians, just within the last few months. I have been learning alongside my children. We have two books, Old and New Testaments for Children.
My eight year old daughter has asked me repeatedly "If God made the whole world and the whole universe, who made God? Where did He come from?"

I don't know how to answer this question. Insights for a child, please?


Tell her, eternal life is not made: and that Jesus has it because he is God. Tell her Jesus sees her and loves her and wants her to know him: Tell her Jesus is invisible, but his Son can be seen by the gospel(which is in the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John: that you may know it).

Much love to you and your house.
 
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We are very new Christians, just within the last few months. I have been learning alongside my children. We have two books, Old and New Testaments for Children.
My eight year old daughter has asked me repeatedly "If God made the whole world and the whole universe, who made God? Where did He come from?"

I don't know how to answer this question. Insights for a child, please?

Do YOU believe that anyone or anything "made"/"created" God?

If so, HE would not be THE Creator, would He? Something ELSE would be "Creator", for Him to have been "created".

Above, in one of the posts, Genesis 1:1 is mentioned.

What is your take on that verse?

Thank you kindly.
 
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We are very new Christians, just within the last few months. I have been learning alongside my children. We have two books, Old and New Testaments for Children.
My eight year old daughter has asked me repeatedly "If God made the whole world and the whole universe, who made God? Where did He come from?"

I don't know how to answer this question. Insights for a child, please?

Hi RSchlap!

All great responses. Of course simplifying this for your eight year old can be difficult. You can only simplify a complex matter so far, and even then it may still be difficult to understand especially for a child. Scripture declares that God was the first and the last, and the only real "God" there ever will be.

Isaiah 43:10
10 Ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD, and My servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He: before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me.
(KJV)


Isaiah 44:8
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
(KJV)


Your daughter's question really deals with time. As she's told that "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Genesis 1:1) her mind is naturally curious to think of an earlier period. What happened before the heavens and the earth were created? Well, as our knowledge of science grows we've come to learn that space (which is a part of the heavens God created) is interwoven with time, and, as space is bent by gravity, time also is bent. Therefore since space and time coexist together then we can reasonably deduce that time itself came into existence when God created "the heavens and the earth".

So to make a long story short there was nothing "before" the heavens and the earth, or before God, as time didn't exist then. This is why God is eternal in the past; even to the point when time itself was created. If God created the heavens and the earth (and He did), and "time" was created at this point as well (and it was), then God cannot be bound by time. He created it. Just as a software programmer is not bound by the rules of the program. Why? because he wrote them.

You cannot ask, "Who created God?" or "What was before God?" because both questions use time as the point of reference. And if God created time, then there cannot be anything before Him. Does that make sense? It can be difficult for our human brains to comprehend the awesome things of God, as we may never understand them. But believing is sufficient for now, I suppose. When we join our Father in heaven, or when the return of our Lord Jesus Christ comes and we are changed into our spiritual bodies I suppose these questions will pass away with our flesh brains.

1 Corinthians 13:12
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
(KJV)


For now we may as well side with Job, that attempting to understand God's nature is simply "...too wonderful for me, which I knew not" (Job 42:3).

God bless, my friend!
 
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As E = mc2 so

m (mass) = E/c2 (Energy)

It never was created...
It cannot be destroyed...

It merely changes form over the universal ages. God therefore was always there. He was never created and he will never be destroyed. But the form of the E/c2 will change as he wills it. The universe was always there. The mass probably has dis-associated into E/c2 (plasma) and re-associated into m (mass) several times.

For our God is a consuming fire. - Hebrews 12:29

God is E/c2... He can cool E/c2 to form mass, or he can turn it back into the plasma from which it was forged.

And the earth was without form, and void; - Genesis 1:2

We find in Genesis chapter one that the earth was without form and void. Then God said, "Let there be light!" And there was light - Genesis 1:3.

The light was made available through the dis-association of mass. This was what scientist call the big boom. As the mass dissociated into light and energy it also spread out from a point of origin.

I would say that 15 billion years went by and then God moves again...

"And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness." - - Genesis 1:4

For God to have divided the light from the darkness I would assume that the planet earth is formed and put into orbit around the sun.

"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." - Genesis 1:5

Notice that the first day was not declared until after the planet earth was put in orbit. Therefore the known universe is very old, and the planet earth is in comparison very young. The creation story then unfolds as scripture told it...

Day 1 - Planet Earth is put into orbit, dividing the light from the darkness.
Day 2 - The atmosphere is created
Day 3 - Dry land arises from the sea
Day 4 - The atmosphere clears, allowing the moon and the stars to shine through
Day 5 - The sea creatures are created
Day 6 - Land based creatures, including man, are created
Day 7 - God rests on the seventh day

Very soon the mass is going to return to the light and the energy from whence it was forged...

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. - 2 Peter 3:12-13

Because of the equation E=mc2 so we find that God was always there. He was never created, and never will be destroyed. But we find that the mass will change form throughout the universal ages as God wills it.
 
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Everything we know has an ending such as ourselves, our goldfish, our ice cream, our Star Trek video etc, so our human minds can't grasp the idea of something having NO ending or beginning like God..:)
Jesus spelt out our difficulty to grasp such concepts-
"You hardly believe me when I tell you earthly things, so how would you believe me if I told you heavenly things?" (John 3:12)

 
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We are very new Christians, just within the last few months. I have been learning alongside my children. We have two books, Old and New Testaments for Children.
My eight year old daughter has asked me repeatedly "If God made the whole world and the whole universe, who made God? Where did He come from?"

I don't know how to answer this question. Insights for a child, please?
God is Omnipresent He is the First and the Last so in other words, GOD doesn't live in our standards of being created but does the creating.
 
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RSchlap, welcome to the forums.

In their books or any Bible, I would let them read Rev 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

especially the portion that states Yahweh always was, is, and will be forever.

Just as they are unique - there's no one else like them, He is unique in many ways including "I am" no matter what year it is.
 
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John 1 describes the beginning of everything.
But God has always been.
God is not defined to our reality of boundaries and time.
Our boundaries and time (concepts of eternity, macrocosmos (aka:where does space end?), and microcosmos (aka:What's an atom's proton or neutron made of, and what would I see if I would dissect it, what would I find?), don't apply to God who made them.

Our life compared to God's life, is much like a comic book character compares to a real person.
Though we get born and die, the Bible tells us that our God is the beginning and the end.
The alpha and the Omega. He was before time, and He will be long after time.
 
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We are very new Christians, just within the last few months. I have been learning alongside my children. We have two books, Old and New Testaments for Children.
My eight year old daughter has asked me repeatedly "If God made the whole world and the whole universe, who made God? Where did He come from?"

I don't know how to answer this question. Insights for a child, please?

If every explanation required an explanation before you accepted it, then we couldn't talk about anything having an explanation without resorting to an infinite series of explanations, so it is not necessary to know the explanation of an explanation before you accept it. For instance, if we had found an artifact on the moon, then it might be reasonable to think that it was created by aliens are the explanation without knowing anything about the explanation of the aliens. That's not a satisfying response because it points out that the question doesn't need to be answered rather than answering it, but it is nevertheless true.

To answer her question, it might be helpful to think of an causal ordered series, such as a hand, moving a stick, which is moving a rock, which is moving a leaf. The hand is the primary cause of this series because all of the other objects derive their causal power from it, or in other words the other objects in the series don't have the power to move on their own and exist as a causal series only because of the hand, which derives it movement from nothing else. The hand isn't truly the primary cause of the series because there is an arm that is causing the movement of the hand and so forth, but such a series necessarily must have a primary cause or else it wouldn't exist as a series. The primary cause is God, which is the cause of everything, but which is caused by nothing else.
 
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Since this is for a child, I will skip all of the long synopses of bible verses and post a simple youtube link:
Who Made God?

Of course it is still difficult to fathom... but hopefully explained so a kid and their parents can tackle it productively!

Hope this helps!
 
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