Who is YHWH?

[tonychanyt]

Literal Standard Version, Exodus 3:

13 And Moses says to God, “Behold, I am coming to the sons of Israel, and have said to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you, and they have said to me, What [is] His Name? What do I say to them?” 14 And God says to Moses, “I AM THAT WHICH I AM.” He also says, “Thus you say to the sons of Israel: I AM has sent me to you.” 15 And God says again to Moses, “Thus you say to the sons of Israel: YHWH, God of your fathers, God of Abraham, God of Isaac, and God of Jacob, has sent me to you; this [is] My Name for all time, and this [is] My memorial, to generation [and] generation.​

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YHWH is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

 

[AV1611VET]

YHWH is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

God calls Lucifer "Satan," so Satan calls God "Yahweh".

His name is JEHOVAH.

 

[tonychanyt]

God calls Lucifer "Satan," so Satan calls God "Yahweh".

See Lucifer = Satan? and follow up there

His name is JEHOVAH.

See How to pronounce YHWH and follow up there

 

[AV1611VET]

See Lucifer = Satan? and follow up there

See How to pronounce YHWH and follow up there

Those posts are doing nothing more than trying to get me to speak their language.

I don't speak Greek, and I don't speak Hebrew.

And even if I did, I take this stance:

Where the King James Bible differs from the Greek and Hebrew, the Greek and Hebrew are wrong.

1 Corinthians 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

I find it ... shall I say ... ironic that academians such as yourself will try and get me to prefer Greek and Hebrew to English, then go out and be perfectly fine at a restaurant reading an English menu.

But then, I have to admit, even menus dupe us commoners with words like "escargot" for snails and "calamari" for octopodes.

Science is that way too, but they prefer Latin.

Anything to dupe us commoners.

Even I'm guilty of this to a degree though.

Using fancy terms like creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia, but I've been known to stoop to academic's level from time to time to TRY and get people to understand.

 

[AV1611VET]

Tony, sorry if I came across so curtly, but a LOT of people died getting the word of God into English, and I resist the attempt of academia to take us back to the Hebrew & Greek.

 

[tonychanyt]

Where the King James Bible differs from the Greek and Hebrew, the Greek and Hebrew are wrong.

verse?

 

[AV1611VET]

verse?

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Hebrew says otherwise.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Greek says otherwise.

 

[tonychanyt]

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Hebrew says otherwise.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Greek says otherwise.

Where did the Bible say that KJV is better than the original Hebrew manuscript?

 

[AV1611VET]

Where did the Bible say that KJV is better than the original Hebrew manuscript?

In Genesis 1:1 and 1 John 5:7.

Show me Satan's angelic name in any of your copyrighted versions.

 

[tonychanyt]

In Genesis 1:1 and 1 John 5:7.

Show me Satan's angelic name in any of your copyrighted versions.

Isaiah spoke King James English with God.

True?

 

[AV1611VET]

Isaiah spoke King James English with God.

True?

Here we go again.

 

[pasifika]

Literal Standard Version, Exodus 3:

13 And Moses says to God, “Behold, I am coming to the sons of Israel, and have said to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you, and they have said to me, What [is] His Name? What do I say to them?” 14 And God says to Moses, “I AM THAT WHICH I AM.” He also says, “Thus you say to the sons of Israel: I AM has sent me to you.” 15 And God says again to Moses, “Thus you say to the sons of Israel: YHWH, God of your fathers, God of Abraham, God of Isaac, and God of Jacob, has sent me to you; this [is] My Name for all time, and this [is] My memorial, to generation [and] generation.​

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YHWH is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

YHWH revealed in the form of Jesus Christ. Acts 2:36

 

[Blade]

Literal Standard Version, Exodus 3:

13 And Moses says to God, “Behold, I am coming to the sons of Israel, and have said to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you, and they have said to me, What [is] His Name? What do I say to them?” 14 And God says to Moses, “I AM THAT WHICH I AM.” He also says, “Thus you say to the sons of Israel: I AM has sent me to you.” 15 And God says again to Moses, “Thus you say to the sons of Israel: YHWH, God of your fathers, God of Abraham, God of Isaac, and God of Jacob, has sent me to you; this [is] My Name for all time, and this [is] My memorial, to generation [and] generation.​

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YHWH is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

its " tetragrammaton " don't even ask me I just copied the word haha. Something about no vowels.

 

[tonychanyt]

its " tetragrammaton " don't even ask me I just copied the word haha. Something about no vowels.

The term "tetragrammaton" is derived from Greek and literally means "four letters." It refers specifically to the four-letter Hebrew name of God, represented in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) as יהוה (Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh)

Word origin
[1350–1400; ME ‹ Gk tetragrámmaton, n. use of neut. of tetragrámmatos having four letters, equiv. to tetra- tetra- + grammat- (s. of grámma) letter + -os adj. suffix]

 

[ozso]

YHWH revealed in the form of Jesus Christ. Acts 2:36

Yep. The post below settles the matter as far as I'm concerned.

ViaCrucis said:
Of course it is. That's why YHWH is rendered as "The LORD" in most English Bibles. It goes back to the Septuagint which rendered YHWH as kyrios. Every time the New Testament quotes the Old Testament where the Tetragrammaton is found, it uses kyrios.

Psalm 110:1
יְהוָה לַֽאדֹנִי שֵׁב לִֽימִינִי עַד־אָשִׁית אֹיְבֶיךָ הֲדֹם לְרַגְלֶֽיךָ׃
"YHWH said to my Lord, 'Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool.'"

LXX
εἶπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου
"Said the Lord to my Lord, 'Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool.'"

Acts 2:34-35
οὐ γὰρ Δαβὶδ ἀνέβη εἰς τοὺς οὐρανούς λέγει δὲ αὐτός Εἶπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου
"For David did not ascend into the heavens, but has said, 'Said the Lord to my Lord, 'Sit at My right hand, until I make your enemies Your footstool.'"

-CryptoLutheran

 

[pasifika]

Yep. The post below settles the matter as far as I'm concerned.

ViaCrucis said:
Of course it is. That's why YHWH is rendered as "The LORD" in most English Bibles. It goes back to the Septuagint which rendered YHWH as kyrios. Every time the New Testament quotes the Old Testament where the Tetragrammaton is found, it uses kyrios.

Psalm 110:1
יְהוָה לַֽאדֹנִי שֵׁב לִֽימִינִי עַד־אָשִׁית אֹיְבֶיךָ הֲדֹם לְרַגְלֶֽיךָ׃
"YHWH said to my Lord, 'Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool.'"

LXX
εἶπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου
"Said the Lord to my Lord, 'Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool.'"

Acts 2:34-35
οὐ γὰρ Δαβὶδ ἀνέβη εἰς τοὺς οὐρανούς λέγει δὲ αὐτός Εἶπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου
"For David did not ascend into the heavens, but has said, 'Said the Lord to my Lord, 'Sit at My right hand, until I make your enemies Your footstool.'"

-CryptoLutheran

Hi, who is the first Lord and who is the second Lord..(is it the Father and the Son).

 

[ozso]

Hi, who is the first Lord and who is the second Lord..(is it the Father and the Son).

So are you arguing against that summation after saying YHWH revealed in the form of Jesus Christ? If so me confused.

 

[pasifika]

So are you arguing against that summation after saying YHWH revealed in the form of Jesus Christ? If so me confused.

No, I still stand on what I said regarding YHWH as Jesus Christ. I was just wondering about the verse you quoted.."the Lord said to my Lord"..So it could be Father speaking to the Son (Jesus). (They both Lord in that verse).

 

[ViaCrucis]

No, I still stand on what I said regarding YHWH as Jesus Christ. I was just wondering about the verse you quoted.."the Lord said to my Lord"..So it could be Father speaking to the Son (Jesus). (They both Lord in that verse).

That is the meaning of the verse. The Father speaking to the Son, Jesus took up His throne at the right hand of His Father.

The Greek word kyrios is used for both the Tetragrammaton and as a literal translation of adonay, "lord" "master". So Psalm 110 uses kyrios twice, the first for YHWH and the second for Adonay.

Jesus is YHWH, because His Father is YHWH. Jesus is Adonay, because His Father is Adonay.

So when Paul says in Philippians 2 that every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (kyrios) it's not an accident that this looks like what was written by the Prophet Isaiah,

"Speak up and present your case--yes, let them take counsel together. Who foretold this long ago? Who announced it from ancient times? Was it not I, YHWH? There is no other God but Me, a righteous God and Savior; there is none but Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other. By Myself I have sworn, truth has gone out from My mouth, a word that will not be revoked: Every knee will bow before Me, and every tongue will swear. Surely they will say of Me, 'In YHWH alone is righteousness and strength.' All who rage against Him will come to Him and be put to shame. In YHWH all the descendants of Israel will be justified and will exult." - Isaiah 45:21-25

It's almost impossible to look at this passage in Isaiah and what Paul says in Philippians 2 and not see how Paul is intentionally using this passage in Isaiah. When Paul says that every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, it is almost explicit in what is going on here. Jesus Christ is YHWH.

Or look how elsewhere in the New Testament we see things like how there is no other name other than the name of Jesus Christ by which anyone can be saved, there is no other Lord, no other Savior. Jesus Christ is not another other than YHWH, Jesus Christ is YHWH.

Jesus Christ, as God the Son, is YHWH, even as the Father is YHWH.

For here are two statements which are true:

"Hear O Israel, YHWH our God, YHWH is one" -Deuteronomy 6:4
"We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity, neither confusing the Persons, nor dividing the Substance." - the Athanasian Creed

-CryptoLutheran

 

[tonychanyt]

Tony, sorry if I came across so curtly, but a LOT of people died getting the word of God into English, and I resist the attempt of academia to take us back to the Hebrew & Greek.

No need to apologize to me, brother. Despite our differences, I know you are a good guy