No, we are to develop personal relationships with the Lord and we go on learning.
If you aren't reaching out to the Lord and striving to develop a personal relationship with him, aren't you missing the point of Scripture?I suppose if you eschew scripture when it comes to your views on angels then you would have no problems eschewing scripture when it comes to your views on Eschatology.
Me, i'm sticking with Sola Scriptura.
Scripture is meant to introduce you to the Lord, not the other way around.You have to interpret your feelings in light of scripture, not interpret scripture in light of your feelings.
Scripture is meant to introduce you to the Lord, not the other way around.
The great, and first, commandment tells us to love the Lord with all our heart, mind, and soul. (Matt 22:34-40)An interesting premise. What do you base this on?
While you're mulling that over, mull these over as well:
Hebrews 1:1&2
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds
John 15:16&17
16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever
17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
John 16:13
13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come
John 15:26
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
The Spirit of God uses the Word of God to impact the hearts and the lives of the people of God, and reveal to them the Son of God. That is how Jesus said it would happen.
I'm just saying that if you aren't developing a personal relationship with the Lord, I believe you are missing the point.So you attest that "Scripture is meant to introduce you to the Lord, not the other way around," and to support your premise you cite Mathew 22:34-40.
I'm sorry, but I don't see your reasoning. I DO see, however, that you are setting up a false dichotomy. Scripture and spiritual seeking are NOT mutually exclusive.
One can seek God in prayer, be lead by His Spirit, and grow in grace and understanding of the truth, and STILL keep in harmony with the written word.
The term "angel" and "messenger" are the same words in both Hebrew and in Greek. Thus a messenger of God can even be a human messenger as in the case of Malachi whose name means "my messenger."
Angels are indeed messengers of God and there are places in the Scriptures in which The term, "the Angel of the Lord," is believed to be the pre-incarnated Jesus Christ, and the term usually found for those appearances, are called "theophanies."
There are other places in the Bible where there is little doubt, the character involved, was also the pre-incarnated Jesus. Such as the third angel, Abraham called the Lord, in Gen.18:1-15 In another place, the 'man' who wrestled with Jacob, whom he called God, in Gen.32:24-28. And again in Jos.5:13-15, where He was the Commander of God's armies from heaven. Also in Dan.3:24-25 when the king of Babylon saw four men in his firey furnace when he had only thrown three in. Another one is in Dan.12:6-7, about the 'man' dressed in linen,standing above the river.
Quasar92
John 6:46I just finished reading a book that addressed this exact topic. I thought it was very well-written, but I don't recall seeing any reference at all to "theophanies." Can you go into that in more detail please?
Great post GUANO!Angels are usually either human beings or they are spirits which most often seem to reveal themselves through visions/hallucinations.
I wouldn't think of the Angel of the Lord as any specific angel, but any one. Michael and Gabriel are both Angels of the Lord but in most cases of prophetic Revelation it's Gabriel and he reveals himself through powerful visions, the same way that Christ did when he appeared as the Angel of the Lord to John...
18And Zacharias said unto the Messenger, ‘Whereby shall I know this? for I am aged, and my wife is advanced in her days?’ 19And the Messenger answering said to him, ‘I AM Gabriel, who have been standing near before God, and I was sent to speak unto thee, and to proclaim these good news to thee, 20and lo, thou shalt be silent, and not able to speak, till the day that these things shall come to pass, because thou didst not believe my words, that shall be fulfilled in their season.’Similar event in Revelation:
Revelation 8:3 Then another Messenger, having a golden censer, came and stood at the Altar.
He was given much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the Saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
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