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Who is responsible for the violence in society today?

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But,have you looked at the State leve.

Less money is going to the States for social programs that services are now being cut. My state is one of the top five states with the most homeless people, and as I said before, many of them are the "working" homeless who are mostly those with children who can't afford to even pay rent let alone buy food to put on the table.

So, before you start telling me that the "national average" has gone down, take a look at the individual states becaue telling you right now Sweets, I aint seeing it.

Trickle down economics doesn't work.

Thats fair...I believe the beginning part of your initial comment was national/federal in nature...making some claims that I believed were not true. I thought I responded accordingly.
 
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And BTW, I am happy that you are able to provide very well for you and your family.

I made no reference to how well I'm able to provide for my family...but yes...I support my wife and kids (one is on the way), spiritually, financially, and emotionally; and I try to be a Godly man, husband, and father in every way possible.

Maybe it's time to think where you might be able to help those who are less fortunate than yourself.

I take issue with this.

A man of your age should, based on mere fact and simple deduction, that me, posting on a Christian forum, being a man, a Christian, head of a family and commenting on a politcal/financial issue...that, more than likely...I already make charitable contributions to various outlets every year (which I do). But your issue is not with charity.

Your issue is that you cannot accept that, at least politcally, that I don't beleive in redistribution of wealth policies brought forth by and supported by a certain politcal party; so somehow your comment is an attempt to shame me for my evil, selfish, capitalist beliefs.

It didn't work.

And...quite honestly...redistribution of wealth never works. Its pretty much been proven...even on a state by state basis. I'll leave you with this link:

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730&page=1
 
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Thank you for giving us one ultra-right wing organization's personal opinion on "who is responsible for the violence in society today?"

:doh::doh::doh:

And the only response I can think of is from the Bible:

Matthew 7:3 (New International Version)
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

I think that one reason for the violence in society is that we now have a society where people of both genders and all races are equal and deserving of respect. The people who ruled the world for the first 6,000 years don't know how to deal with all these "equals" whom they used to boss around with equanimity.

Yes, it's harder to deal with equals.....

It requires mutual respect. Good communication skills. The ability to compromise.

The results are well worth it.

And now, if people like those who run that website would just climb down off their ivory steeples and learn to live in this brave new world our world would be a better place.
 
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I think that one reason for the violence in society is that we now have a society where people of both genders and all races are equal and deserving of respect. The people who ruled the world for the first 6,000 years don't know how to deal with all these "equals" whom they used to boss around with equanimity.

^ This is a pretty good theory.

You can put up all the numbers, percentages, and charts you want concerning crime and poverty but the still remians, this country has some pretty big holes to fill. This country is violent orientated and poverty stricken, and even though I don't blame someone/something soley responsible I believe the govenment plays a big part. Why? It all boils down to people taking care of people, in which this country fails to do sometimes. I believe it is too easy to blame the devil in all of this, but I also believe it's too easy to ignore.
 
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Thank you for giving us one ultra-right wing organization's personal opinion on "who is responsible for the violence in society today?"

:doh::doh::doh:

And the only response I can think of is from the Bible:



I think that one reason for the violence in society is that we now have a society where people of both genders and all races are equal and deserving of respect. The people who ruled the world for the first 6,000 years don't know how to deal with all these "equals" whom they used to boss around with equanimity.

Yes, it's harder to deal with equals.....

It requires mutual respect. Good communication skills. The ability to compromise.

The results are well worth it.

And now, if people like those who run that website would just climb down off their ivory steeples and learn to live in this brave new world our world would be a better place.
But there was violence in the past. Much, much more.

Violence is actually less than the way things used to be.

Inequality will exist whether we like it or not. Communism and Socialism does not work. Our equality comes from God and not man. People are incapable of being 100% just.



Violence is caused really by sin. If we settled our differences with a nice game of chess the world would be a better place.
 
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But there was violence in the past. Much, much more.

Violence is actually less than the way things used to be.

Inequality will exist whether we like it or not. Communism and Socialism does not work. Our equality comes from God and not man. People are incapable of being 100% just.



Violence is caused really by sin. If we settled our differences with a nice game of chess the world would be a better place.
In a sense we agree.

I agree that there was more violence in society before the onset of democracy and the recognition that all people were deserving of certain human rights.

My point is that much of the violence in society today comes from those old values--the idea that superiority (and subjugation of others) can be achieved by the use of superior force.

This is true in cases of domestic violence...child abuse.....war....gang warfare....

And the solution comes from teaching people the way to co-exist and resolve conflicts peaceably--even though it often mean self-sacrifice, teamwork, and recognition of others as equals.

Society wasn't better when it was divided into the exploiters and the exploited--even if their absolute rule meant that uneasy peace reigned.

Yes, we need strong families, and families are strong when each member is respected.

Yes, we need strong companies, and companies are strong when employees have a sense of ownership and when they feel valued.

Etc., etc.
 
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This is a great web site...

http://www.jeremiahproject.com/prophecy/whosresponsible.html

These are the people responsible for the killing. They might as well of put the guns in the children's hands. They are largely responsible for the degradation of ethics and morals in this country and have directly or indirectly encouraged and condoned the violence we now see. The blood of the children murdered in Colorado, Oregon, Arkansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, Michigan, New Jersey, Illinois, and throughout this nation is on their hands.

Hillary Clinton
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Poor Hillary continues to look the other way and blames everything on a "Right-Wing Conspiracy." I guess her message might be "It takes a village to satisfy my husband."

Here's a woman, too, with a long list of cases of obstructing justice (ordering the shredding of Vince Foster's documents in the Rose Law Firm, ordering members of the Health Care Task Force to shred documents that were the target of a court probe, ordering the removal of documents from Vince Foster's office and telling aides to lie about it, and by keeping her billing records, a document sought under subpoena, in the White House residence).

Truth is not a virtue that Hillary Clinton inspires either: She lied to investigators about her knowledge about billing records, she lied to investigators about her involvement in the Castle Grande land deal con, and lied to investigators about her involvement in the firing of Travel Office Employees.

In December 1997, Hillary Clinton, the U.S. Justice Department and the White House were found guilty of lying under oath and obstructing justice and were ordered by a Federal Judge to pay $285,000 in attorney's fees to the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. This brought to a close litigation initiated in February 1993 (AAPS v. Hillary Clinton), filed after Hillary's Health Care Task force repeatedly met in secret to socialize the U.S. health care system.


Breaking the Bonds Between Children and Parents
Authoritarian and totalitarian regimes - be they fascist or communist in nature - have always sought to destroy the traditional family unit by severing the bonds between parents and their children, thereby increasing the power of the government.

Adolph Hitler understood that if he were to control the German people, he had to first control the children. He started by first taking charge of the children and educating them to follow his racist view and teaching them that it was OK to kill and torture Jews, and anyone that shared different ideals. Before it was over, Hitler's youth were even turning in their parents if they shared other values.

Today, we see a similar trend in our schools teaching children that Christianity is the root cause of environmental deterioration and homophobic attitudes. And children are empowered through child welfare laws and agencies to turn in offending parents.

Quite simply, Hillary Rodham, Donna Shalala, and other modern statists believe they can raise your children better than you can. That's what they mean by "children's rights" - the rights of children to be liberated from the shackles of their evil parents.

Hillary Clinton argues, "Children should have a right to be permitted to decide their own future if they are competent." "Decisions about motherhood and abortion, schooling, cosmetic surgery, treatment of venereal disease, or employment, and others where the decision or lack of one will significantly affect the child's future should not be made unilaterally by parents."

Hillary Clinton was an active radical during the 1960s, when she formed friendships with other student radicals who have now become key Clinton advisers. In the 1970s, the then -Ms. Rodham wrote several articles that suggested children should be free to sue their parents, and implied that parental authority over children was similar to slave masters over slaves, or government over American Indians.

Hillary Rodham Clinton, a long-time fierce proponent of the radical Left, chaired the New World Foundation 1987-88, ranked by the Capitol Research Center as "one of the ten most liberal foundations in the United States." While there, she authorized grants to organizations that backed the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Sandinistas. From 1986-92 she chaired the Children's Defense Fund (CDF), which promotes an amoral approach to sex education and other means of destroying the very moral values which most parents want to pass on to their children. The CDF wants to redefine the family and believes government can serve as surrogate parents (the"village"). That means that kids would no longer be primarily accountable to their parents. To whom would they be accountable to? The answer, of course, is the state. The benevolent state. The "VILLAGE," then, would transcend the Orwellian "Big Brother" role and become surrogate parent. It would grant your children "rights" and be their legal guardian.

Hillary's "village" not only tolerates but encourages crime, drugs, pornography, homosexuality, unrestrained sex, disease, broken families, violence, disrespect for authority, slothfulness, and a whole host of other destructive but "politically correct" behaviors.


William Jefferson Clinton
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As a role model for children, President Bill Clinton carries a large part of the responsibility. After all, he is the one who regularly treats women with utter disrespect and sees them only as toys for his sexual pleasures (Kathleen Willey, Monica Lewinsky, Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Sally Perdue, Lencola Sullivan, Connie Hamzy, Deborah Mathis, former Miss America Elizabeth Ward, Jo Jenkins, or Bobbie Ann Williams). How can you turn a blind eye to all the women who have become victims of Bill Clinton's sexual escapades?

Clinton's role in campaign finance abuses, Whitewater Development Corporation, Filegate, selling secrets to the Chinese in exchange for campaign contributions, laundering drug money through ADFA (Arkansas Development and Finance Authority), and the drug running operation of the "Mena Cartel" all sends messages to our youth that crime pays and lying is okay.

Apparently many students got Clinton's message. During the years of Clinton's leadership, there were no fewer than eight tragic shootings perpetrated by students in our nations schools.

Here at home, too, Clinton demonstrates crime, violence, and lying is a viable alternative. Consider the following partial list of the people who are presumed to be "Casualties" of the various Clinton Scandals including illegal fund-raising, Whitewater Development, Inc.; Morgan Guaranty S&L; Mena, Arkansas drug smuggling; The Arkansas Development Finance Authority; Travelgate; philandering, etc. Some of the "Casualties" were openly murdered, but many were killed in such a way so that their deaths could be ruled accidents or suicides. This was especially true if they died in Arkansas where the medical examiners routinely rule apparent murders as either accidents or suicides when it suits political purposes. In fact, this is so common that it is often referred to as "Arkancide" or "Arkansas Suicide".

Al Gore
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Don't you just love Al Gore's response to soliciting illegal campaign contributions, "I did nothing wrong. I did nothing illegal. I will not do it again." Now there's a clear message to our youth. Let's rephrase that from a murderers perspective, "I didn't mean to shoot them, it's not my fault, and I apologize so let me go free."

"We are the children of the modern age," said Vice President Al Gore on election night. Who are these "children" taking over the country? They have given us "recreational" drugs, condoms in the schools, AIDS, unprincipled television, open marriages, no-fault divorce, prenuptial agreements and a nuclear strike on the home. For many, the physical, moral, psychological and spiritual consequences of unrestrained living are now being worked out on psychiatrist's couches or from behind a gun.

Attorney General Janet Reno

It was Janet Reno who fabricated charges of child molestation against the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas and it was at her direction and orders that federal agents descended on the compound in Waco, eventually killing eighty-six men, women, and children after FBI agents used grenade launchers to mount a CS gas attack . Her actions demonstrate to our children that violence is indeed a viable method to resolve conflict.

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Later, she demonstrated to our children that brute force is a viable alternative in accomplishing a goal. It was by her unprecedented order that more than 100 storm troopers invaded a private neighborhood in a child custody case to forcibly remove a six-year-old child from the home of loving relatives at the point of a gun.

Feminists led by N.O.W.
The false teachers of feminism teach a false life-style of unrighteousness. They prey on weak-willed women - unstable women who are quilt ridden because of their sins, torn by lust, and victims of various false teachers ("always learning," but never coming to a saving knowledge of Christ). A large number of feminists are victims of childhood abuse and are bitter toward men. Their 'guilt' is associated somehow with the false belief that they are responsible for their abuse. Rather than receiving the forgiving grace of Jesus, most of these women have bought into the lie perpetrated by their false teachers that they are 'emancipated' and as a result are unable to function in a healthy relationship with a man. No wonder the majority of women in NOW are lesbians.

Gloria Steinem sounded the war cry, "We don't just want to destroy capitalism," she said, "we want to tear down the whole f____ patriarchy." Men were not husbands, lovers, employers, or friends, they were "PJs" - patriarchal jerks.

Betty Friedan, founder of NOW, once referred to traditional family life as a "comfortable concentration camp" from which women needed liberation.

Sheila Cronan, one of the feminist movements most respected leaders and spokeswomen said, "Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women's movement must concentrate on attacking marriage."

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Patricia Ireland, head of the National Organization of Women (NOW) said that the pro-family organization called Promise Keepers was a threat to women. These men of Promise Keepers promise to love their wives, their children, and their neighbors as themselves, in keeping with the teachings of Jesus Christ, according to the New Testament. A threat, indeed to restoring the family to what it should be!

To accomplish their goals, organizations such as the National Organization for Women, Planned Parenthood, the National Education Association, the People for the American Way, and the Gay-Lesbian Caucus, and their ilk have arisen to champion unrestrained sex, homosexual rights, abortion on demand, while they attacked Christian beliefs, conservative organizations, and all the traditional family structures of America.

Democrats and Republicans
The problems facing our nation are truly bipartisan. While many conservatives would love to blame liberal Democrats, in reality the blame falls on both parties. Republicans have been guilty of the same infractions blamed on Democrats. Republicans and Democrats alike appear more interested in re-election than doing what is right. Those in Washington have so perfected the art of compromise there is no room left for reason, truth, justice, or morals.

Democrats led by Bill Clinton support The Freedom of Choice Act, guaranteeing abortion rights to women, regardless of the Supreme Court's possible reconsideration of Roe vs. Wade, and overriding existing state regulations and provisions. The bill promoted by Democrats in August 1992, supported by Bill Clinton, would have permitted no limits on the killing of unborn babies. [SIZE=+0]None![/SIZE] This heinous bill, if ever passed, will remove all restrictions on abortion in all fifty sates, during all nine months of pregnancy, for any or no reason at all. Terminating a little life because she is a girl instead of a boy would be entirely legal in all 50 states.

A fully viable infant could be fair game even in the eighth or ninth month of pregnancy. Abortions would be legal in any circumstance if "the health of the mother" warranted. Since "health" was not defined, it is reasonable to assume the provision includes "psychological health" as a justification. Thus, a baby could be killed up to the moment of birth for any reason - or for no reason at all.

When we look at the results of the liberal excesses and failures, we must also see that the revolutionary doctrines foisted upon them have failed. We should also observe the degree to which young people have been cast adrift on a sea of "cultural relativity" and expected to taste and touch and discern for themselves from a complex array of ideas that have meaning. Separated from the tried and tested moral structures of society, today's young people are more like orphans raised in a box.

They are behavioral experiments based on flawed premises, with no contact with the principles and institutions that undergird civilization. Stripped of a vision of something greater than ourselves, which even Norman Lear concedes is vital to society, they become wards of the state and its surrogates, the schools and the media. If you talk to junior high and high school age kids today you find that most of them don't expect to be alive at age 30. They don't see a future. Should we be surprised when they behave like animals?
Linking corruption to school shootings, is an absolute mistake. If it were true then, I beg, why do school shootings keep on long after Mr Clinton eviction from office? What is more, why are they not more prevallent in countries where corruption is a fact of life?

And the part about murderers finding a new excuse... come on, they don't need anything to excuse themselves. This is just silly.

The part about Reno 'forgets' how the people caring for the cuban child had not the custody. In many countries what they did could be called kidnapping.

I could go on, but the bottom line is that the article is mixing truth with falsehood, and that has an ugly name.
 
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"If only it were so easy - that there are evil people out there committing evil deeds, and to destroy evil, we only had to destroy those people! But the line that divides good from evil crosses the heart of each one of us." (Aleksander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago)
 
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P.S. my opinion on who is responsible? One word: Television.
I would agree that television is a big problem...I am not advocating that the actions of Clinton and other politicians is the sole responsibility for the violence in today's society but it is part of the cause.
 
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I would agree that television is a big problem...I am not advocating that the actions of Clinton and other politicians is the sole responsibility for the violence in today's society but it is part of the cause.
Of course. And, in a smaller way, you are part of the cause too (shall I remind you which threads?) And if you had as much power as the people you mention, you would be responsible for a heck of a lot more violence.

And so am I, I am sure, though it is someone else who will have to tell me in what way. We are all slow to see our own mistakes.

Hey - shall we turn this thread into a reflection on how each of us is responsible for the violence in society today?
 
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I third that! T.V. does distort the perception of many today, to in effect deceive them into believing that violence is not only a viable and acceptable means to an end, it is in fact the way one should go about trying to achieve most of their life goals, instead of the hard work, persistence, and dedication advocated by our forefathers.
sincerly,
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There always seems to be perception that society at any given time is especially violent, but violent crimes have been declining over here for a number of years now.

It would be very interesting if we had access to research or stats on violent crime before T.V. or anything else happened. The 1920's, say. The cynical part of me suspects that violence is just part of community life, always was and always will be until judgement day.
 
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Ha, as I suspected. In Britain at least, society has never been more peaceful when you look at the broader historical context. Murder rates have been going down dramaticly since the 13th century. The table shows that it's been going back up a tad since 1975, but is still slightly below the level it was in 1900.

Interesting thing to glance over anyway: http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/CJ/039104.pdf
 
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