Who Is It That Jesus Baptizes?

[1whirlwind]

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and His disciples into the land of Judaea; and there He tarried with them, and baptized.

Who are those He baptized/baptizes? Those that were "with them," His disciples, those that follow Him both in that time and today.
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4:1-3 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, (Though Jesus Himself baptized not, but His disciples,) He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.

The only ones Jesus baptizes are "His disciples." It is easier understood if the above comma wasn't placed in the sentence highlighted in blue and is read...."Jesus Himself baptized not but His disciples," for that is what is being said. He only baptizes His disciples. John the Baptist said to Jesus when He presented Himself to be baptized....
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Matthew 3:14-15 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest Thou to me? And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered Him.

John was right. He, as a disciple of Christ, was one that could be baptized by the Savior. But, the time wasn't right. At that time the dove had not yet descended. It was after that event that Jesus "baptized His disciples," with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Again, John said....
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Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but He that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

So there are two types of baptism. That of John...water baptism/unto repentance and that of Jesus Christ...of the Holy Spirit and fire.
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Acts 19:3-5 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on Him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

They are His disciples for only His disciples are baptized by Christ
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[JacktheCatholic]

Jesus did not baptize. The disciples were doing the baptizing.

Now when Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John (although Jesus himself was not baptizing, just his disciples)

 

[1whirlwind]

Jesus did not baptize. The disciples were doing the baptizing.

Jesus does baptize but it is not with literal water. His baptism is with the Holy Spirit and fire....living water.


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[wayseer]

It is clear that Jesus was a follower of John for some time before branching out on his own.

There is also no doubt, that Jesus followed John's example of water baptism. It is also clear that the early followers of The Way performed water baptisms.

It also clear that Jesus had a lot more followers than just the Twelve. In fact it could be that Jesus went about with a following of upward of a hundred or so. And there would be any number of comings and goings within the larger groups of disciples.

So, I guess Jesus would have bapitized any number of this larger group of disciples when appropriate.

 

[daydreamergurl15]

John 4:1-2

Now when Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John (although Jesus himself did not baptize, but only His disciples),​

I think it's telling us that it was Jesus' disciples that were baptizing more disciples, not Him.

 

[Standing Up]

It is clear that Jesus was a follower of John for some time before branching out on his own. -snip-

Wasn't 30 years of age the 'allowable' starting point to work? (Num 4) And Jesus was 30 (Luke 3). And John was 6 months older and also had to be 30. So, at most 6 months, though there's no indication Jesus followed John around, but only went for baptism.

Hope that helps.

 

[Fireinfolding]

John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

I dont know how one would take this but John said he knew him not here

 

[Standing Up]

John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

I dont know how one would take this but John said he knew him not here

Ahh, interesting and powerful. So, John turns 30 six months before Jesus and goes baptizing, maybe hundreds, thousands of people? But evidently John had been shown about Jesus Christ, to watch for that one. So, for 6 months, John knew Him not. The air must have been electric, waiting, watching, expecting! Jesus then turns 30 and goes to get baptized.

Yet John says, you should baptize me. So John must have heard rumors (like when Jesus was 12 per Luke). Signs. Watching. Waiting. Daniel's time period was up. God had revealed that the one on whom the Spirit descends ...

 

[Fireinfolding]

Ahh, interesting and powerful. So, John turns 30 six months before Jesus and goes baptizing, maybe hundreds, thousands of people? But evidently John had been shown about Jesus Christ, to watch for that one. So, for 6 months, John knew Him not. The air must have been electric, waiting, watching, expecting! Jesus then turns 30 and goes to get baptized.

Yet John says, you should baptize me. So John must have heard rumors (like when Jesus was 12 per Luke). Signs. Watching. Waiting. Daniel's time period was up. God had revealed that the one on whom the Spirit descends ...

His mother Elizabeth knew Mary was the mother of the Lord, she and Mary being cousins. The law and the prophets prophesied until John and the reason he come batizing so he would be revealed so yeah I guess there was an earnest expectation there huh?

Sorta reminds me of Noah sending out the dove and returing to him back with a sign (in her mouth) showing an olive leaf, this being an indicator the waters were receeding (and then we see Jesus coming up out of the water) and the Spirit as a dove descended upon him and remained. Just a thought though. Love thinking about these things a bit differently I suppose (makes me also think of where it speaks of standing in and out of the water).

 

[wayseer]

Wasn't 30 years of age the 'allowable' starting point to work? (Num 4) And Jesus was 30 (Luke 3). And John was 6 months older and also had to be 30. So, at most 6 months, though there's no indication Jesus followed John around, but only went for baptism.

Hope that helps.

I don't think age has much to do with it really. (I am really suspicious about the use of numbers in the OT).

I think you have to read the gospel narratives and the read between the lines to get a sense of what was happening.

You also have to think about the fact that due to wrong calculations and changing calendars that Jesus' birth is pushed out to 4 BCE or even 6 BCE which makes his age at death as round about 40ish.

Then there is this ...

JJohn 8:57 Then the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”

... which seems to indicate that Jesus was older than 40.

 

[Standing Up]

-snip-

Then there is this ...

JJohn 8:57 Then the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”

... which seems to indicate that Jesus was older than 40.

I'd suspect it too relates still to His ministry years.

Num. 4:3 From thirty years old and upward even until fifty years old, all that enter into the host, to do the work in the tabernacle of the congregation.