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Who is Allah?

HumbleSiPilot77

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It is because you say the same things that have been said and refuted millions of times before.

I agree here, AllforJesus, I know your intentions are honest, you want to reach out to muslims and you want them to be accept Christ as He was, and become Christians, yea but this is not the way hun.
 
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EVEN IF Allah (swt) was once associated with the moon, it does not make one bit of difference to Muslims. We know that the worship of the one true God is a long tradition that has many times been watered down into pantheism and polytheism. But what matters is that we return to the worship of the one true God without associating anything with Him.

The Qur'an is explicitly clear that Allah (swt) created the moon and that the moon worships Him.

7:54 Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!


10:5 It is He Who made the sun to be a shining glory and the moon to be a light (of beauty), and measured out stages for her; that ye might know the number of years and the count (of time). Nowise did Allah create this but in truth and righteousness. (Thus) doth He explain His Signs in detail, for those who understand.

14:33 And He hath made subject to you the sun and the moon, both diligently pursuing their courses; and the night and the day hath he (also) made subject to you.

22:18 Seest thou not that to Allah bow down in worship all things that are in the heavens and on earth,- the sun, the moon, the stars; the hills, the trees, the animals; and a great number among mankind? But a great number are (also) such as are fit for Punishment: and such as Allah shall disgrace,- None can raise to honour: for Allah carries out all that He wills.



Additionally, the traditional arguments for a moon god influence still in Islam are all stretches:

Look, many mosques have moons on the top, must be worshiping their moon god - The moon was never architecturally associated with Islam until the conquest of Constantinople. The first mosques had no moons.

Look, their calender is based on the moon - so what? So is the Hebrew calender. In fact, the modern calender is based on the sun, does that mean modern man worships the sun?
 
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Bushmaster: :wave: you sound like you have a very loving, tolerant, and forgiving heart. Only one place to get that, that I know of!

Rahma: :wave: You are correct. Many Christian churches have angels on their buildings, but Christians do not worship angels. Takes a deeper look.

Thanks to both of you for posting. Made my day:clap:
 
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Gilgamesh said:
Even if Allah originated from the ancient cult of some moon-god, that is only its etymology and today Allah is clearly the same God that Christians and Jews worship.

Well, that's just the thing, I don't believe that the Muslim and
Christian "God/Allah" are the same.
* Christians believe in a God who consist of three beings in one, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Muslims don't.

* I as a Christian believe that Jesus is God who came to earth as a human being to die for mankind. Muslims believe Jesus was just a prophet and did not die on the Cross, instead Allah made Judas Iscariot look like Jesus and He was crucified instead.

*I believe the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit who lives in every believer's heart. Muslims believe the Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel.


Dr.Labib, is Allah of the Muslims the God of Christians?
"I would say that it can't be that way. There is only one true God, who revealed Himself in the Bible, through His prophets. And if we compare between the God of the Christians, and Allah of the Muslims and of the Quran, we will see a lot of differences. There is a difference in the attributes of Allah, and the Attributes of God of the Christians. There is a difference in the commandment of Allah of the Muslims and the commandments of the God of the Christians. There is a difference in the plan of salvation prepared by the God of the Christians, and the plan of salvation in Islam. And I might say here that the word 'salvation' was never ever mentioned in the whole Quran. Then lastly I would say that the god head in Islam is different than the god head in Christianity."
 
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ALL4J3SUS said:
Well, that's just the thing, I don't believe that the Muslim and
Christian "God/Allah" are the same.
* Christians believe in a God who consist of three beings in one, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Muslims don't.

:)

hunh. Why do I doubt that ALL4J3SUS is able to explain the metaphysics behind "three beings in one." *amused*
 
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Mephster said:
:)

hunh. Why do I doubt that ALL4J3SUS is able to explain the metaphysics behind "three beings in one." *amused*

There is no reason to try to explain. People should read Bible and see Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in their context and draw conclusions from that. There is no prequisite to understand God in order to trust Him and to obey Him. The Bible gives enough information to anyone who seriously wants to understand and to come to know God and His ways of approaching us. That is the simple approach.
 
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peaceful soul said:
There is no reason to try to explain. People should read Bible and see Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in their context and draw conclusions from that. There is no prequisite to understand God in order to trust Him and to obey Him. The Bible gives enough information to anyone who seriously wants to understand and to come to know God and His ways of approaching us. That is the simple approach.
Ahhh!! So right, we should encourage them to see the triunity from the scripture.
 
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peaceful soul said:
There is no reason to try to explain. People should read Bible and see Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in their context and draw conclusions from that. There is no prequisite to understand God in order to trust Him and to obey Him.
mmmm... I am reminded of St. Augustine's Confessions:

Grant me, Lord, to know and understand which is first, to call on Thee or praise Thee? for who can call on Thee, not knowing Thee? for he that knoweth Thee not, may call on Thee as other than Thou are. Or, is it rather, that we call on Thee that we may know Thee?

:)
 
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Augustine said, "Great art Thou, O Lord, and highly to be praised; great is Thy power, yea, and Thy wisdom is infinite. And man would praise Thee, because he is one of Thy creatures; yea, man, though he bears about with him his mortality, the proof of his sin, the proof that Thou, O God, dost resist the proud, yet would man praise Thee, because he is one of Thy creatures. Thou dost prompt us thereto, making it a joy to praise Thee; for Thou hast created us unto Thyself, and our heart finds no rest until it rests in Thee. Grant me, Lord, to know and understand which is first, to call on Thee or to praise Thee? and, again, to know Thee or to call on Thee? for who can call on Thee, not knowing Thee? for he that knoweth Thee not, may call on Thee as other than Thou art. Or, is it rather, that we call on Thee that we may know Thee? but how shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? or how shall they believe without a preacher? and they that seek the Lord shall praise Him: for they that seek shall find Him, and they that find shall praise Him. I will seek Thee, Lord, by calling on Thee; and will call on Thee, believing in Thee; for to us hast Thou been preached. My faith, Lord, shall call on Thee, which Thou hast given me, wherewith Thou hast inspired me, through the Incarnation of Thy Son, through the ministry of the Preacher."

In other words, unless we know God, we may ask Him to do something contrary to His nature. So before we call on Him we must know Him. Knowing precedes asking. We can't pray effectively unless we know God adequately, or else we may be asking God to do something contrary to His character. This may well the answer to much unanswered prayer.

Prayer is responding to God's nature. Prayer isn't born in the need of man but in the nature of God. That which draws us to Him should not be our need but His character.

In James one, the appeal and encouragement to pray is based on the nature of God. "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all me liberally....(1:5) " The verb "giveth" is a participle, which indicates nature, something that is continually done. It is God's nature to give. He is a giving God-that's His character. When we ask God for something, we are not asking Him to do something contrary to His nature. Giving is what God does.

Therefore, as Luke 11 tells us, we don't have to beg God, using vain babbling, as the heathen do, trying to talk God into giving.

1. He gives to all men Generally. "He giveth to all men." No one is excluded, no one is favored above others. If you are a believer, you have as much right to pray as Paul or Peter.

2. He gives to all men Generously. "liberally." This word refers both to the abundance of the gift and the attitude of the giver. God isn't tight! In Jesus parable on Prayer in Luke 11, He tells that the friend will rise and "give him as many as he needeth." The is told that Alexander the Great gave a servant a golden cup. The servant said, "It is too much for me to take." Whereupon, Alexander said, "It is not too much for me to give."

Thou art coming to a King,
Rich petitions with thee bring,
For He grace and power are such,
That none can ask too much.

3. He gives to all men Graciously. "and upbraideth not." No rebuke.
When we get ourselves in a mess and ask God for wisdom, He doesn't say before giving, "How could you be so stupid as to get yourself in such a mess?" Know what I mean? I hate to ask people for something who preaches me a sermon before they give it. I had just as soon not ask them-and I don't. I think James inserts this phrase lest we might think we come to God too often, that we will wear out His patience with us. If we think that, we do not know God as we should.

The key to effective prayer and acceptable praise is to first know God.
 
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Though the name is shared by our Christian brothers in the Arab world, the theology of Islam and Christianity is different!

does any one read Shakespear: what is in a name?

Peace,
kas(who finds that quoting Shakespear is always appropriate)
 
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