Who is Allah?

[ALL4J3SUS]

http://www.raptureready.us/allah.htm

mod edit

 

[marc37]

the question remains is this truth or slander.

 

[Alexei]

It’s really funny how would Arab Christians feel about that?

They read their Bible as follow:



In the beginning the PAGAN MOON GOD created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of the PAGAN MOON GOD moved upon the face of the waters.
And the PAGAN MOON GOD said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And the PAGAN MOON GOD saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
And the PAGAN MOON GOD called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

And the PAGAN MOON GOD said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And the PAGAN MOON GOD made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
And the PAGAN MOON GOD called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
And the PAGAN MOON GOD said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
And the PAGAN MOON GOD called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
And the PAGAN MOON GOD said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.



And the Arab Christians also read:

“Jesus the PAGAN MOON GOD SON”

Allah-God-YahwehIs Allah the name of the true God?
​

By the Arab Christian theologian William Qarraa
​

I received some time ago several letters asking about the name of God. "Is Allah the name of God or the name of a god/demon?" Several people thought that the name of Allah, linked to Islam, is the God of Islam or the bad god.

My answer was:

1- The Name of Allah is the name of the true God:

a- The Moslems worship the true God who has been the God of the Ancient and New Testament. They confess that "in order to be a good Moslem, you have to be a good Jew and a good Christian", a statement of confessing to the truth of the other two religions.

b- The name of Allah was taking by the Moslems from the Christians who existed five centuries before the arrival of Islam. Arabs were mentioned in the book of Acts at the time of the Pentecost.

c- The existence of bad elements in any country or religion does not make that religion bad and hence does not make all moslems bad or all jews or chritians bad. People become bad when they do not follow the teaching of their religion.

d- Beauty and Truth is One. All religions reflect the beauty of God in a certain way and so does the Islam.

e- Moslems teach us that there are 99 names for Allah and that the 100th name is hidden. These names are adjectives of God and do not tell us the true entity of God.The 100th name may be the one that really is the name of God.

2- The Name of Allah is the same as the name of Elohim:

a- In the Semetic languages Vowels do not count. Consonants form the words. These consonants are not written because they are not important and they do make the word sick and ill. So if we look at the name of Allah and the name of Elohim we will find the following:

Allah = L + H, Elohim = L+H+M (we will ignore the M and come back to it later).

b- In the Semetic languages, word roots are formed of three letters. It was found later on that these three letters were formed of two two-letter verbs. A complete study was made by several scholars among which is Fr. Marmarji S.J. in Lebanon.

c- L+H= LH (pronounced 'lahh') means "to him". God, Allah or Yahweh is not the name of God, Allah and Yahweh. God is not the name. He exists and no one knows his name. If we know His name then we will possess Him and understand Him, then He is not God the Omnopotents the Existant etc..

d- So instead we say "to Him" be the glory. "To Him" be the praise Look at the book of Revelation 5:13: Blessing and honor and glory and power be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. It is safe to say that instead of saying God you can say "To Him"

e- Till our present day, Christians and Moslems replace the name of God with "Taala" (pronounced 'Tah-ah-lah') the excelsior, the most high.

 

[crystalpc]

the question remains is this truth or slander.

She named sources for the archeology, it shouldn't be to hard to find with an Encyclopedia, or even a google search.

 

[crystalpc]

1989: Westenholz, Joan Goodnick, "Enheduanna: En-Priestess, Hen of Nanna, Spouse of Nanna" in Dumu-E-Dub-Ba-A: Studies in honor of Ake Sjoberg (Occasional Publications From the S.N.Kramer Foundation)
--Excellent article about Enheduana's role as High Priestess to the Moon God, Nannar

118 CATON-THOMPSON, G. The Tombs and Moon Temple of Hureidha (Hadhramaut). Oxford: Printed at the University Press by John Johnson for The Society of Antiquaries, 1944. £178.00

4to. Original printed boards; pp. xv + 191; 81 plates showing numerous photographic images of the area, the excavations, finds, plans, etc., including some folding, one folding table, one corrigendum slip; browning and creasing to spine, minor soiling to boards, internally very clean, a very good copy.

First edition, no. 13 of the Reports of the Research Committee of the Society of Antiquaries of London. Caton-Thompson was drawn to the Hadhramaut by her interest in the question of Arab influence in South-East Africa. She joined Freya Stark (returning to the area after the visits described in her The Southern Gates of Arabia), but Stark remained behind, beset by illness, when Caton-Thompson and her companion Elinor Gardner moved on to Hureidha. The present volume records the successful results of this important and early archaeological expedition, one of few in an area that "then was archaeologically still terra incognita" (Preface).

COON, CARLETON STEVENS (1904-1981), Papers

Carleton S. Coon attended Harvard University (Ph.D., 1928) and taught there from 1934 to 1948. He then became a curator at the University of Pennsylvania University Museum. Coon was an advocate of holistic anthropology, and he carried out ethnographic, social anthropological, physical anthropological, and archeological studies. His region of specialization was North Africa and the Near East.

Coon worked in Morocco in 1925-1928, 1939, 1947, and 1962-1963. During the 1920s, he was primarily concerned with ethnographic, social anthropological, and physical anthropological studies of the Riffians, which was the subject of his Ph.D. dissertation and his early books. He also became involved in archeological studies of Stone Age cultures, especially through investigations of caves. During World War II, Coon was a member of the United States Office of Strategic Services and, in part, operated in Morocco. continued..... http://www.nmnh.si.edu/naa/guide/_c3.htm#jrg446

The last link is a list of articles at the Smithsonian by Prof Coon

 

[rahma]

Refutation of the moon god Myth

Pay particular attention to how Robert Morey misquotes and twists the words of Professor Coon and Professor Farah, and how he uses false evidence.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Pfffff.... And how do you think you will reach out to muslims and be friends with them with all this slandering?

Do you think that they really worship a MOON GOD? Knowingly and willfully?

This doesn't help nothing but them to despise you, you are attacking their faith. Present your ideas as they are your own, not the fact because you yourself can't prove or disprove it. Don't follow the old missionary tactics, first attack their faith, and then say "Here you, I have something better, it is called Jesus" It doesn't and won't work.

 

[rebazar]

YAHWEH--GOD OF THE HEBREWS


In conceiving of Deity, man first includes all gods, then subordinates all foreign gods to his tribal deity, and finally excludes all but the one God of final and supreme value. The Jews synthesized all gods into their more sublime concept of the Lord God of Israel. The Hindus likewise combined their multifarious deities into the "one spirituality of the gods" portrayed in the Rig-Veda, while the Mesopotamians reduced their gods to the more centralized concept of Bel-Marduk. These ideas of monotheism matured all over the world not long after the appearance of Machiventa Melchizedek at Salem in Palestine. But the Melchizedek concept of Deity was unlike that of the evolutionary philosophy of inclusion, subordination, and exclusion; it was based exclusively on creative power and very soon influenced the highest deity concepts of Mesopotamia, India, and Egypt.

The Salem religion was revered as a tradition by the Kenites and several other Canaanite tribes. And this was one of the purposes of Melchizedek's incarnation: That a religion of one God should be so fostered as to prepare the way for the earth bestowal of a Son of that one God. Michael (Jesus)could hardly come to Urantia (Earth)until there existed a people believing in the Universal Father among whom he could appear.

The Salem religion persisted among the Kenites in Palestine as their creed, and this religion as it was later adopted by the Hebrews was influenced, first, by Egyptian moral teachings; later, by Babylonian theologic thought; and lastly, by Iranian conceptions of good and evil. Factually the Hebrew religion is predicated upon the covenant between Abraham and Machiventa Melchizedek, evolutionally it is the outgrowth of many unique situational circumstances, but culturally it has borrowed freely from the religion, morality, and philosophy of the entire Levant. It is through the Hebrew religion that much of the morality and religious thought of Egypt, Mesopotamia, and Iran was transmitted to the Occidental peoples.

1. DEITY CONCEPTS AMONG THE SEMITES

The early Semites regarded everything as being indwelt by a spirit. There were spirits of the animal and vegetable worlds; annual spirits, the lord of progeny; spirits of fire, water, and air; a veritable pantheon of spirits to be feared and worshiped. And the teaching of Melchizedek regarding a Universal Creator never fully destroyed the belief in these subordinate spirits or nature gods.



The progress of the Hebrews from polytheism through henotheism to monotheism was not an unbroken and continuous conceptual development. They experienced many retrogressions in the evolution of their Deity concepts, while during any one epoch there existed varying ideas of God among different groups of Semite believers. From time to time numerous terms were applied to their concepts of God, and in order to prevent confusion these various Deity titles will be defined as they pertain to the evolution of Jewish theology:

1. Yahweh was the god of the southern Palestinian tribes, who associated this concept of deity with Mount Horeb, the Sinai volcano. Yahweh was merely one of the hundreds and thousands of nature gods which held the attention and claimed the worship of the Semitic tribes and peoples.

2. El Elyon. For centuries after Melchizedek's sojourn at Salem his doctrine of Deity persisted in various versions but was generally connoted by the term El Elyon, the Most High God of heaven. Many Semites, including the immediate descendants of Abraham, at various times worshiped both Yahweh and El Elyon.

3. El Shaddai. It is difficult to explain what El Shaddai stood for. This idea of God was a composite derived from the teachings of Amenemope's Book of Wisdom modified by Ikhnaton's doctrine of Aton and further influenced by Melchizedek's teachings embodied in the concept of El Elyon. But as the concept of El Shaddai permeated the Hebrew mind, it became thoroughly colored with the Yahweh beliefs of the desert.

One of the dominant ideas of the religion of this era was the Egyptian concept of divine Providence, the teaching that material prosperity was a reward for serving El Shaddai.

4. El. Amid all this confusion of terminology and haziness of concept, many devout believers sincerely endeavored to worship all of these evolving ideas of divinity, and there grew up the practice of referring to this composite Deity as El. And this term included still other of the Bedouin nature gods.

5. Elohim. In Kish and Ur there long persisted Sumerian-Chaldean groups who taught a three-in-one God concept founded on the traditions of the days of Adam and Melchizedek. This doctrine was carried to Egypt, where this Trinity was worshiped under the name of Elohim, or in the singular as Eloah. The philosophic circles of Egypt and later Alexandrian teachers of Hebraic extraction taught this unity of pluralistic Gods, and many of Moses' advisers at the time of the exodus believed in this Trinity. But the concept of the trinitarian Elohim never became a real part of Hebrew theology until after they had come under the political influence of the Babylonians.

6. Sundry names. The Semites disliked to speak the name of their Deity, and they therefore resorted to numerous appellations from time to time, such as: The Spirit of God, The Lord, The Angel of the Lord, The Almighty, The Holy One, The Most High, Adonai, The Ancient of Days, The Lord God of Israel, The Creator of Heaven and Earth, Kyrios, Jah, The Lord of Hosts, and The Father in Heaven.

Jehovah is a term which in recent times has been employed to designate the completed concept of Yahweh which finally evolved in the long Hebrew experience. But the name Jehovah did not come into use until fifteen hundred years after the times of Jesus.



Up to about 2000 B.C., Mount Sinai was intermittently active as a volcano, occasional eruptions occurring as late as the time of the sojourn of the Israelites in this region. The fire and smoke, together with the thunderous detonations associated with the eruptions of this volcanic mountain, all impressed and awed the Bedouins of the surrounding regions and caused them greatly to fear Yahweh. This spirit of Mount Horeb later became the god of the Hebrew Semites, and they eventually believed him to be supreme over all other gods.


The Canaanites had long revered Yahweh, and although many of the Kenites believed more or less in El Elyon, the supergod of the Salem religion, a majority of the Canaanites held loosely to the worship of the old tribal deities. They were hardly willing to abandon their national deities in favor of an international, not to say an interplanetary, God. They were not universal-deity minded, and therefore these tribes continued to worship their tribal deities, including Yahweh and the silver and golden calves which symbolized the Bedouin herders' concept of the spirit of the Sinai volcano.

The Syrians, while worshiping their gods, also believed in Yahweh of the Hebrews, for their prophets said to the Syrian king: "Their gods are gods of the hills; therefore they were stronger than we; but let us fight against them on the plain, and surely we shall be stronger than they."

As man advances in culture, the lesser gods are subordinated to a supreme deity; the great Jove persists only as an exclamation. The monotheists keep their subordinate gods as spirits, demons, fates, Nereids, fairies, brownies, dwarfs, banshees, and the evil eye. The Hebrews passed through henotheism and long believed in the existence of gods other than Yahweh, but they increasingly held that these foreign deities were subordinate to Yahweh. They conceded the actuality of Chemosh, god of the Amorites, but maintained that he was subordinate to Yahweh.

The idea of Yahweh has undergone the most extensive development of all the mortal theories of God. Its progressive evolution can only be compared with the metamorphosis of the Buddha concept in Asia, which in the end led to the concept of the Universal Absolute even as the Yahweh concept finally led to the idea of the Universal Father. But as a matter of historic fact, it should be understood that, while the Jews thus changed their views of Deity from the tribal god of Mount Horeb to the loving and merciful Creator Father of later times, they did not change his name; they continued all the way along to call this evolving concept of Deity, Yahweh.


[from The Urantia Book]


P.S. I hope this helps !!



Enjoy

 

[Gilgamesh]

Pfffff.... And how do you think you will reach out to muslims and be friends with them with all this slandering?

Do you think that they really worship a MOON GOD? Knowingly and willfully?

This doesn't help nothing but them to despise you, you are attacking their faith. Present your ideas as they are your own, not the fact because you yourself can't prove or disprove it. Don't follow the old missionary tactics, first attack their faith, and then say "Here you, I have something better, it is called Jesus" It doesn't and won't work.

I really don't think she cares.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

I really don't think she cares.

Pray for her, this may change... It usually happens in such cases of people who are not certain of their faith, who don't have the peace in their faith, so they are out to disprove others and prove theirs. I don't think she will find any grounds for this behavior in the Scripture. It just reminds me of a scene from that new chick flick "Saved" where a girl THROWS the Bible to another and yells out "I AM FULL OF CHRIST'S LOVE" Yea right!

 

[crystalpc]

Refutation of the moon god Myth

Pay particular attention to how Robert Morey misquotes and twists the words of Professor Coon and Professor Farah, and how he uses false evidence.

Rhama,
I gave the resources to the authors so people could read for themselves if there were misquotes and twists. Why do you give another source instead of the authors themselves? Let people read and judge for themselves if there are misquotes then there are misquotes if not then they are not misquoted.

 

[Nietzsche]

allah is arabic for "god" the world allah was also adopted into the farsie

 

[Gilgamesh]

http://www.raptureready.us/allah.htm

mod edit

Allah is God.

Well...guess there's not too much to this discussion then, huh? Guess we can all just stop posting in this thread and move on to other, more important things.

 

[Gilgamesh]

allah is arabic for "god" the world allah was also adopted into the farsie

Unfortunately many people do not understand such "lofty" linguistic concepts as "Allah is Arabic for God." It kind of goes way over your head (or maybe you just don't care) when you're too busy desperately looking for some way to throw dirt on Muslims.

 

[Achichem]

EXTRA EXTRA READ all about it!!!
The English word God, is deceiving it come from the old pagan cult of the sun god…Christians celebrate their holy god’s (the sun) birthday every december.

They pray upward which is a sign....
beware, beware...the are coming to decive us all!!!!

 

[ALL4J3SUS]

Yes, yes, yes. I know that Allah is Arabic for God. What the artcle is giving evidence of is that the Muslim "Allah" originated from the Ancient cult of the Moon-god.
And Gil, I too will pray for you. By the way, I like clowns.

 

[ALL4J3SUS]

Well...guess there's not too much to this discussion then, huh? Guess we can all just stop posting in this thread and move on to other, more important things.

What I want to know is why you always reply to my posts? Do you have some sort of personal grudge against me? Every time I post somethig, you always come along trying to put me down, not to mention you called me names, that's what that clown part was about. Do me a favour, breathe in.......breathe out......repeat the process as many times as you like. Good day

 

[Gilgamesh]

Yes, yes, yes. I know that Allah is Arabic for God. What the artcle is giving evidence of is that the Muslim "Allah" originated from the Ancient cult of the Moon-god.
And Gil, I too will pray for you. By the way, I like clowns.

Even if Allah originated from the ancient cult of some moon-god, that is only its etymology and today Allah is clearly the same God that Christians and Jews worship.

And clowns scare me. I remember watching that creepy Bozo the Clown show when I was younger....I would sit and watch, horrified at his comically big nose and silly costume, and his unusually high-pitched voice....

 

[Gilgamesh]

What I want to know is why you always reply to my posts? Do you have some sort of personal grudge against me? Every time I post somethig, you always come along trying to put me down, not to mention you called me names, that's what that clown part was about. Do me a favour, breathe in.......breathe out......repeat the process as many times as you like. Good day

It is because you say the same things that have been said and refuted millions of times before.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

And clowns scare me. I remember watching that creepy Bozo the Clown show when I was younger....I would sit and watch, horrified at his comically big nose and silly costume, and his unusually high-pitched voice....

Have you seen the Stephen King's " IT " ???