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Who is a Saint?

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There seems to be some confusion among certain denominations as to who is a saint.

The Bible tells us that true born-again Christians are saints, here and now. But there are other schools of thought which indicate that the pope has to declare someone a saint before it becomes valid.

How did this authority come about and why does a person have to be dead to become a saint?
 

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Since this isn't on the same topic as the other thread I think we should keep this open open, if you don't mind.

I have been thinking about this issue a lot lately and will post some Scriptures to consider.

The word "saints" is found 60 times in the NT.
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(Mat 27:52)
The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
(Act 9:13)
But Ananias answered, "Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem;
(Act 9:32)
Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda.
(Act 9:41)
And he gave her his hand and raised her up; and calling the saints and widows, he presented her alive.
(Act 26:10)
"And this is just what I did in Jerusalem; not only did I lock up many of the saints in prisons, having received authority from the chief priests, but also when they were being put to death I cast my vote against them.
(Rom 1:7)
to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
(Rom 8:27)
and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
(Rom 12:13)
contributing to the needs of the saints, practicing hospitality.
(Rom 15:25)
but now, I am going to Jerusalem serving the saints.
(Rom 15:26)
For Macedonia and Achaia have been pleased to make a contribution for the poor among the saints in Jerusalem.
(Rom 15:31)
that I may be rescued from those who are disobedient in Judea, and that my service for Jerusalem may prove acceptable to the saints;
(Rom 16:2)
that you receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints, and that you help her in whatever matter she may have need of you; for she herself has also been a helper of many, and of myself as well.
(Rom 16:15)
Greet Philologus and Julia, Nereus and his sister, and Olympas, and all the saints who are with them.
(1Co 1:2)
To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:
(1Co 6:1)
Does any one of you, when he has a case against his neighbor, dare to go to law before the unrighteous and not before the saints?
(1Co 6:2)
Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts?
(1Co 14:33)
for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
(1Co 16:1)
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also.
(1Co 16:15)
Now I urge you, brethren (you know the household of Stephanas, that they were the first fruits of Achaia, and that they have devoted themselves for ministry to the saints),
(2Co 1:1)
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God which is at Corinth with all the saints who are throughout Achaia:
(2Co 8:4)
begging us with much urging for the favor of participation in the support of the saints,
(2Co 9:1)
For it is superfluous for me to write to you about this ministry to the saints;
(2Co 9:12)
For the ministry of this service is not only fully supplying the needs of the saints, but is also overflowing through many thanksgivings to God.
(2Co 13:13)
All the saints greet you.
(Eph 1:1)
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus:
(Eph 1:15)
For this reason I too, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which exists among you and your love for all the saints,
(Eph 1:18)
I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,
(Eph 2:19)
So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household,
(Eph 3:8)
To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ,
(Eph 3:18)
may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth,
(Eph 4:12)
for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;
(Eph 5:3)
But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints;
(Eph 6:18)
With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints,
(Php 1:1)
Paul and Timothy, bond-servants of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, including the overseers and deacons:
(Php 4:22)
All the saints greet you, especially those of Caesar's household.
(Col 1:2)
To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are at Colossae: Grace to you and peace from God our Father.
(Col 1:4)
since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and the love which you have for all the saints;
(Col 1:12)
giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in Light.
(Col 1:26)
that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints,
(1Th 3:13)
so that He may establish your hearts without blame in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints.
(2Th 1:10)
when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed--for our testimony to you was believed.
(1Ti 5:10)
having a reputation for good works; and if she has brought up children, if she has shown hospitality to strangers, if she has washed the saints' feet, if she has assisted those in distress, and if she has devoted herself to every good work.
(Phm 1:5)
because I hear of your love and of the faith which you have toward the Lord Jesus and toward all the saints;
(Phm 1:7)
For I have come to have much joy and comfort in your love, because the hearts of the saints have been refreshed through you, brother.
(Heb 6:10)
For God is not unjust so as to forget your work and the love which you have shown toward His name, in having ministered and in still ministering to the saints.
(Heb 13:24)
Greet all of your leaders and all the saints. Those from Italy greet you.
(Jud 1:3)
Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.
(Rev 5:8)
When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
(Rev 8:3)
Another angel came and stood at the altar, holding a golden censer; and much incense was given to him, so that he might add it to the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar which was before the throne.
(Rev 8:4)
And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, went up before God out of the angel's hand.
(Rev 11:18)
"And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth."
(Rev 13:7)
It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.
(Rev 13:10)
If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints.
(Rev 14:12)
Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
(Rev 16:6)
for they poured out the blood of saints and prophets, and You have given them blood to drink. They deserve it."
(Rev 17:6)
And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. When I saw her, I wondered greatly.
(Rev 18:20)
"Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints and apostles and prophets, because God has pronounced judgment for you against her."
(Rev 18:24)
"And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth."
(Rev 19:8)
It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
(Rev 20:9)
And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.




How often is it talking about saints that are in Heaven? How often does it say that there is a checklist needing to be approved by the rcc, or any other official body, in order for someone to be considered a saint?
 
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:wave: All in Christ are saints, yes...but the practice of 'declaring' saints is mostly so that the Church would have Christians to look up to as good examples of our faith..I think.. they are people who have lived holy lives and glorified God.

I read somewhere that the early Church kept records of the Martyrs and chose specific days to honour them. That is pretty much what is done today in the Catholic and EO Churches :)

peace

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I think that is how it happened, but it is unbiblical. At least, the extent that they go to is unbiblical.


Do you think all those saints that Paul wrote to were really extra-special people to look up to? Nope, they were saved men and women just like Paul and you and me and every other believer.
 
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What makes us saints?

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Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
Eph 1:5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
Eph 1:6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.


I'm sure there's more, but this is my favorite passage...today. LOL
 
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I think that is how it happened, but it is unbiblical. At least, the extent that they go to is unbiblical.


Do you think all those saints that Paul wrote to were really extra-special people to look up to? Nope, they were saved men and women just like Paul and you and me and every other believer.

I wouldn't say that I am equal to Apostle Paul...to quote CS Lewis, if there is equality it is in God's love, not in us. Of course there were and are many Christians who are better in their faith than I am, and we can all learn a lot from them I think :) I agree that technically we're all saints, but there is nothing wrong with honouring the men and women who glorified God on earth...because by honouring them, we are honouring the One who changed their lives.

peace

monica
 
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I wouldn't say that I am equal to Apostle Paul...to quote CS Lewis, if there is equality it is in God's love, not in us. Of course there were and are many Christians who are better in their faith than I am, and we can all learn a lot from them I think :) I agree that technically we're all saints, but there is nothing wrong with honouring the men and women who glorified God on earth...because by honouring them, we are honouring the One who changed their lives.

peace

monica
The correct way would go something like this:
"Praise God for the awesome work He did in Paul regarding...."

The wrong way is:
"Saint Paul, patron saint of (insert ideal here) please watch over me as I......"


As I said, they go to far.


remember, God is no respecter of persons. While there is degrees with which He will honor us in Heaven (illustrated by Matthew 5:19) there is absolutely no biblical support for praying to the saints or for us to place people on a pedastal.
 
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"God is wondrous in His Saints" is something we sing during Liturgy, so definitely the Saints point us to God - that is the only reason we hold them up as models.

I do understand your objection to going beyond that, to asking for their intercessory prayers, etc., but for us, it's just a logical progression because we believe the Saints who have reposed are truly alive in Christ, and as our "older, wiser brothers & sisters in Christ", want to help us with their prayers for us, just as those saints still on the earth also do.

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There seems to be some confusion among certain denominations as to who is a saint.

The Bible tells us that true born-again Christians are saints, here and now. But there are other schools of thought which indicate that the pope has to declare someone a saint before it becomes valid.

How did this authority come about and why does a person have to be dead to become a saint?
I would say you are right and I would also bet we and they are the ones riding on nice big beautiful White horses along side our Lord and King Jesus at His return. :bow:

http://christianforums.com/t6813701-question-time-jesus-returns-before-or-after-1000yrs.html

Matthew 24:3 He is yet sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples toward-came to Him according to own, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what the Sign of theThy ParousiaV <3952>, and of the together-finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age?'

Reve 19"11 And I perceived the heaven having be opened and Lo! A horse, white and the One sitting on it/him being called Faithful-one and True-one and in justice He is judging and is battling
 
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I wouldn't say that I am equal to Apostle Paul...to quote CS Lewis, if there is equality it is in God's love, not in us. Of course there were and are many Christians who are better in their faith than I am, and we can all learn a lot from them I think :) I agree that technically we're all saints, but there is nothing wrong with honouring the men and women who glorified God on earth...because by honouring them, we are honouring the One who changed their lives.

peace

monica
Well said.

Paul urges the Phillipians to imitate him.
Brothers and sisters, join in imitating me, and observe those who live according to the example you have in us. (Phil 3:17)

And he writes to Timothy
But for that very reason I received mercy, so that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display the utmost patience, making me an example to those who would come to believe in him for eternal life. (1Tim 1:16)

And urges Timothy to be an example to others.
Let no one despise your youth, but set the believers an example in speech and conduct, in love, in faith, in purity. (1Tim 4:12)

We can learn from the saints of the past not just from those alive now.
 
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SAINT: The "holy one" who leads a life in union with God through the grace of Christ and receives the reward of eternal life. The Church is called the communion of saints, of the holy ones

http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/index.htm
 
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