Who Goes To Hell?

[ClementofA]

Can listening to certain music take you to Hell? Can you be a believer in Christ, and still go to Hell? Title says all that needs to be said, ciao.

boxman144

No one goes to "hell" (everlasting tortures), my friend.

"God is love".

He loves you more than anyone by far.

You are made to be loved by Him.

His unrelenting unconditional love will conquer all.

Need more "proof"? May I suggest asking Him, prayer, and:

Tentmaker – Jesus Christ, the savior of all men, especially those who believe. I Tim. 4:10

 

[WanderedHome]

Can listening to certain music take you to Hell? Can you be a believer in Christ, and still go to Hell? Title says all that needs to be said, ciao.

boxman144

Music itself cannot send you to hell (not talking about lyrics, but simply music). Some music can affect you in a negative, physical way. Conversely, classical music has been shown to stimulate plant growth.
In my own experience heavy metal, pop, rap, to name a few, has affected my mind, soul, and body negatively and distracted me from Christ, even if they put Christian lyrics to it. I didn't realize it at the time, but once I broke from those musical genres I started noticing a difference in my overall well-being. If I go back to it now, I find it irritating... I just can't listen to it.

Our body has electrical currents (scientifically proven) and the currents/vibrations from certain types of music, as well as radio, tv, computer, etc. can interfere with the body's natural current. Too much of anything can really throw you off.

Does that mean if you are a Christian and listening to those styles you're going to hell? I wouldn't go that far... but it might make it more difficult. However, we should always be cautious of the lyrics and their messages that are being fed to us.

 

[martymonster]

No one is going to hell. The church is the source of this evil doctrine, not scripture.

 

[Saint JOHN]

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Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

not in Gods picture !!!

1Co 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

you know in yourself ,if it is offensive or no ! swearing rude crude etc...

1Co 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order...........

 

[boxman144]

No one is going to hell. The church is the source of this evil doctrine, not scripture.

What did Christ die to save us from then? Why did He speak on it so many times?

 

[hedrick]

I'm not convinced that anyone goes to hell, but if they do we should look at Jesus' many teachings on judgement. Here's what we see. This summarizes Matthew, because he has the most about judgement, and just about everything in the other Gospels is also there:

7 uselessness (no fruit, no taste, bad fruit
7 reject Jesus and message, no faith, etc
2 failing to forgive
2 hyperbole (call someone fool, fail to amputate)
2 refuse to repent
1 going through broad gate
1 seeking to save your life
1 speaking against Holy Spirit
1 being evil rather than righteous
1 causing a child to stumble
1 shut others out of kingdom
1 hypocrites
1 mistreat others

Note: nothing about the sorts of sins most Christians think of, and certainly nothing about what kind of music you listen to. The concentration of some Christian groups on that kind of "sin" is more characteristic of the Pharisees than Jesus. They're the ones that focused on purity and on the "oral law," which was building on actual Biblical commandments lists of additional ones.

 

[martymonster]

What did Christ die to save us from then? Why did He speak on it so many times?

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

 

[Der Alte]

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

That was Jesus' earthly ministry. Note it says nothing about preaching to dead spirits in hell/the grave.
The Greek word translated "captives" literally means "prisoner(s) of war."
That being true 1 Pet 3;19-20 does not mean that Jesus went to hell/the grave and preached to dead spirits.

1 Peter 3:19-20
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.​

Where ever Jesus went the only people who were saved was Noah and his family, and they were not dead they were alive.

 

[Der Alte]

No one is going to hell. The church is the source of this evil doctrine, not scripture.

See my post [*5 link] this thread for the actual origin of the very Biblical doctrine of hell. 100s of year before the church.

 

[boxman144]

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Ah, I see. Thanks for that, bro

 

[Quietus]

No one is going to hell. The church is the source of this evil doctrine, not scripture.

Can you... elaborate on this?

 

[martymonster]

Can you... elaborate on this?

Scripture is made up of symbols, and if you pick up the bible and try and read it like a regular book, you will think that is saying something that it is not. The hellfire doctrine has been brought into being, exactly this way.
To understand it correctly, you need to find the scripture that gives you the interpretation for symbols that make up whatever verse you are trying understand.

An example would be the word, Fire. You would look for the scripture that tells you what fire means. Then you would apply that to the other verses that contain the word fire. This is what is called "comparing spiritual with spiritual" If you don't do this, you end up with all kinds of carnal foolishness, which will make one verse contradict another.

 

[Der Alte]

Scripture is made up of symbols, and if you pick up the bible and try and read it like a regular book, you will think that is saying something that it is not. The hellfire doctrine has been brought into being, exactly this way.
To understand it correctly, you need to find the scripture that gives you the interpretation for symbols that make up whatever verse you are trying understand.
An example would be the word, Fire. You would look for the scripture that tells you what fire means. Then you would apply that to the other verses that contain the word fire. This is what is called "comparing spiritual with spiritual" If you don't do this, you end up with all kinds of carnal foolishness, which will make one verse contradict another.

There are many figures of speech used in the Bible. A quick question about fire. Was the fire that Peter warmed himself by when Jesus was arrested real or symbolic? Was the fire that Jesus cooked fish on real or symbolic?
When the disciples wrote to churches in Italy, Greece. Turkey etc. would they have understood Jewish symbols? Is there anything in any of the epistles which would have explained all the "symbols" to them? Recognizing that unlike us they did not have an electronic device with numerous versions of the Bible, with which they could do an instantaneous cross reference of verses. And it is highly unlikely that anyone except the wealthy even had their own copy of the some epistles. Even churches would not have a complete NT. The average person would know only what they heard in church on Sunday.

 

[Der Alte]

I ask that you not be rude. And what agenda, bruh? I have no agenda, I'm just asking a question

Your first question misrepresented what the article said, in its entirety. The "sins" were listed in the article.

 

[Der Alte]

LOL!

Feel free to try to prove me wrong, with evidence at least equivalent to the evidence I presented..

 

[HARK!]

Feel free to try to prove me wrong, with evidence at least equivalent to the evidence I presented..

That's not how logical arguments work.

You present a bare assertion fallacy.

I laugh.

The onus is on the the one who made the assertion to provide evidence of proof.

That hasn't happened yet.

Once the evidence is provided, your opponent (that would be me in this case) then must provide a rebuttal from a more reliable source to counter your claim.

The ball is in your court.

 

[Der Alte]

That's not how logical arguments work.
You present a bare assertion fallacy.
I laugh.
The onus is on the the one who made the assertion to provide evidence of proof.
That hasn't happened yet.
Once the evidence is provided, your opponent (that would be me in this case) then must provide a rebuttal from a more reliable source to counter your claim.
The ball is in your court.

Wrong! I did not present a bare assertion anything. I provided credible, verifiable, historical evidence, i.e. The Jewish Encyclopedia, Encyclopedia Judaica and Talmud, which has never been refuted and which is superior to any evidence, I have ever seen, for UR.
You might quote something from J. Preston Eby or Tentmaker.

 

[martymonster]

That's not how logical arguments work.

You present a bare assertion fallacy.

I laugh.

The onus is on the the one who made the assertion to provide evidence of proof.

That hasn't happened yet.

Once the evidence is provided, your opponent (that would be me in this case) then must provide a rebuttal from a more reliable source to counter your claim.

The ball is in your court.

Well, I assume you're talking to me, since you post is directly under mine. You know, quoting someone is a thing for a reason.

Anyway, what you're saying is all well and good, but in reality, most people are not going to admit they are wrong, because they are more interested in defending their pet doctrines, than the actual truth. I will therefore, decline you little challenge.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Can listening to certain music take you to Hell? Can you be a believer in Christ, and still go to Hell? Title says all that needs to be said, ciao.

boxman144

No, listening to music won't send you to hell.

The only thing that can send you to hell is you personally wanting to go to hell.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[HARK!]

Well, I assume you're talking to me, since you post is directly under mine.

Weird. I quoted who that was directed toward. I can see it fine from my end; and it's not directly under your post.