Who goes to hell?

[MelissaShae]

Actually judgment on the wicked is announced at or before the second coming but is not carried out until after the 1000 years.

The wicked don't live forever. Show me a text where it says the wicked live forever. The earth on which we live will be purified by fire and sinners are destroyed in that fire. When the fire goes out God restores the earth back to Eden conditions.

Once again that is your intrepretation of the bible. Our beliefs seem to be different and this is not the place to debate our different views about heaven and hell, the debate forum is the place for that.

Here are verses that I interpret to mean hell as an eternal place, you may have a different interpretation, which is fine, but I will not debate this here with you.


Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels" . . . And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Matthew 25:41, 46

More verses can be found here as well

• Mark 3:29
• II Peter 2:4, 17
• Jude 1:6-13

 

[MelissaShae]

Actually judgment on the wicked is announced at or before the second coming but is not carried out until after the 1000 years.

The wicked don't live forever. Show me a text where it says the wicked live forever. The earth on which we live will be purified by fire and sinners are destroyed in that fire. When the fire goes out God restores the earth back to Eden conditions.

Actually judgement is passed as soon as someone dies, now during the Second Coming then the judgement of those who died before Jesus was born will happen as well as those who were left behind when Jesus takes his followers like a theif in the night. But for those who have died since Jesus, I believe their judgement comes when they die.

 

[Jerrell]

The only people who go to hell are those that reject Jesus as their mediator and saviour, good person, or not...

 

[Stinker]

Once again that is your intrepretation of the bible. Our beliefs seem to be different and this is not the place to debate our different views about heaven and hell, the debate forum is the place for that.

Here are verses that I interpret to mean hell as an eternal place, you may have a different interpretation, which is fine, but I will not debate this here with you.


Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels" . . . And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Matthew 25:41, 46

More verses can be found here as well

• Mark 3:29
• II Peter 2:4, 17
• Jude 1:6-13

There is a difference between everlasting punishment and eternal life.

 

[mpok1519]

I don't believe that hell is here on Earth. There is an eternal hell and will be far worse than anything here on Earth.

But I do believe that God is different with children. I can't imagine seeing God punishing children because of their background or because of where they were raised. There are a lot of verses about what gets you to heaven and hell but there are not really any about children. I think God deals with children differently than adults and he is far more loving than many give him credit for.

where in the Bible does it say God treats children differently than adults?

what does the Bible say is the turning age from childhood into adulthood?

I'm pretty sure the Bible doesn't say children get treated any differently.

And what about the people who are in the same situation as those kids'? Since they literally aren't allowed to access education/reading/the Bible, does God treat them differently?

Of does He send them to the hell worse than the one they are already living?

 

[MelissaShae]

where in the Bible does it say God treats children differently than adults?

what does the Bible say is the turning age from childhood into adulthood?

I'm pretty sure the Bible doesn't say children get treated any differently.

And what about the people who are in the same situation as those kids'? Since they literally aren't allowed to access education/reading/the Bible, does God treat them differently?

Of does He send them to the hell worse than the one they are already living?

Okay when did this become the debate forum?

When did I say that it said that in the bible? Please read what I post because I specificially said that I believe that not that it said that in the bible. I am free to believe as I choose and if you don't agree then that is your right........but if you want to debat then go to the debate section.

 

[MelissaShae]

There is a difference between everlasting punishment and eternal life.

I never said that sinners have eternal life.

And I am not a Seventh Day Adventist so I don't believe as you do so trying to debate me on it is not going to change my beliefs.

 

[Aces High]

Yes, anyone who does not believe in Jesus as his Lord, savior, and treasure goes to hell.

You missed the bit where it was said, "judge not unless ye be judged yourself"

 

[Aces High]

and the poor kids in slave-shops, the starving ones living in genocide, being exploited by warlords, diseased and without homes, food, or anything, naked in this world with a gun pointed to their heads, knowing fear more than anything else.

Hells also here on earth.

And to me, its kind of ignorant to think that if you were one of those little kids, uneducated, ignorant to everything around them, parentless, with absolutely nothing but the hope that the warlord holding the gun to you would just pull the trigger and end the pain, would go to hell for they have not heard Jesus' word, nor could they ever read it, or access it. Yet you say they are going to hell, one worse than the one they are already living in.

some of those kids live in poverty, making your clothes, and then must go to their pimp to work bartering for shelter. Yet you say they're going to hell, a hell far worse than the one they already live in.

Well, if thats your opinion no one can fault you....

but God is much more loving than you think.

You are right, this is not true, because some people do not consider cases of "acceptance" of Jesus. Furthermore, Jesus could reveal himself just before someone dies, so that they themselves can choose, after all God is all merciful and all-loving, so it does not in anyway detract from salvation.

 

[daro2096]

Once again that is your intrepretation of the bible. Our beliefs seem to be different and this is not the place to debate our different views about heaven and hell, the debate forum is the place for that.

Here are verses that I interpret to mean hell as an eternal place, you may have a different interpretation, which is fine, but I will not debate this here with you.


Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels" . . . And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Matthew 25:41, 46

More verses can be found here as well

• Mark 3:29
• II Peter 2:4, 17
• Jude 1:6-13

Compare Scripture with Scripture, don't base a doctrine on one or two verses. Does the Bible mean the fire lasts forever or does it mean the effects of the fire lasts forever. And what does the Bible mean by forever? Look at 1 Samuel 1. Samuel's mother says she lent him to the Lord forever, yet a few verses later she says Samuel belongs to the Lord for as long as he lives. Also Jonah said he was in the belly of the whale forever yet the Bibles says it was only three days and three nights. Even today we say things like "I was stuck at the bus stop forever."

The saved and wicked don't receive their rewards until Revelation 22:11 is announced. You don't receive your rewards at death. King David isn't even in heaven today according to Acts 2:29, 34.

Jesus said the soul and BODY is detroyed in hell. In order to have a body there has to be a resurrection and the Bible says the wicked are resurrected after the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ. Revelation 20.

If the wicked are punished at point of death isn't that a bit unfair? I mean Cain who murdered 1 man has been burning for some 6000 years while Hitler who murdered millions has only been burning for 60 years. Seems unfair doesn't it? And why if the wicked are in hell burning now why does God take them out of hell at the end of time only to put them back in again? Seems cruel and unusual punishment to me. Worse than how we treat sick animals.

Also if the wicked go to hell at death doesn't that break Scripture where it says there are degrees of punishment for the wicked?

By the way I am not debating with you. I am only showing you what the Bible says.

 

[wnwall]

You missed the bit where it was said, "judge not unless ye be judged yourself"

No, I just know what that means. Read the whole chapter to see why Jesus said that. And after that, read the whole gospel. Verses don't stand alone. When Matthew wrote his gospel there were no verse numberings. You can't just take random verses and try to make them mean whatever you want them to mean. The writer intended something when he wrote that verse; your job is to find out what his intention was.

 

[MelissaShae]

Compare Scripture with Scripture, don't base a doctrine on one or two verses. Does the Bible mean the fire lasts forever or does it mean the effects of the fire lasts forever. And what does the Bible mean by forever? Look at 1 Samuel 1. Samuel's mother says she lent him to the Lord forever, yet a few verses later she says Samuel belongs to the Lord for as long as he lives. Also Jonah said he was in the belly of the whale forever yet the Bibles says it was only three days and three nights. Even today we say things like "I was stuck at the bus stop forever."

The saved and wicked don't receive their rewards until Revelation 22:11 is announced. You don't receive your rewards at death. King David isn't even in heaven today according to Acts 2:29, 34.

Jesus said the soul and BODY is detroyed in hell. In order to have a body there has to be a resurrection and the Bible says the wicked are resurrected after the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ. Revelation 20.

If the wicked are punished at point of death isn't that a bit unfair? I mean Cain who murdered 1 man has been burning for some 6000 years while Hitler who murdered millions has only been burning for 60 years. Seems unfair doesn't it? And why if the wicked are in hell burning now why does God take them out of hell at the end of time only to put them back in again? Seems cruel and unusual punishment to me. Worse than how we treat sick animals.

Also if the wicked go to hell at death doesn't that break Scripture where it says there are degrees of punishment for the wicked?

By the way I am not debating with you. I am only showing you what the Bible says.

I guess you still don't get it that everyone interprets the bible differently and we come from different sectors of Christianity. I am not going to change my mind on what I believe because you are telling me I am wrong.

When I read scripture, I choose to let God guide me through it, I don't need you to tell me what it says.



Good day and God bless.

 

[daro2096]

I guess you still don't get it that everyone interprets the bible differently and we come from different sectors of Christianity. I am not going to change my mind on what I believe because you are telling me I am wrong.

When I read scripture, I choose to let God guide me through it, I don't need you to tell me what it says.



Good day and God bless.

How do you know it was God who was guiding you? Only by knowing what the Bible says and the Bible is the rule book not some spirit.

 

[MelissaShae]

How do you know it was God who was guiding you? Only by knowing what the Bible says and the Bible is the rule book not some spirit.

And how do you know that God does not guide me when I read the bible?

So now the Holy Spirit doesn't matter only the bible, that is just absurd to me. I do read the bible and I believe what is says, but I am humble enough to know that I do not understand it all and that I need God to guide me through his word to help me better understand. Just reading the bible is not enough.

Thank you for questioning my faith, I really appreciate it and can't believe their are still those christians out there who are so arrogant to think they know everything about God and the bible that they are capable of judging others.

 

[Nienor]

*Reminder*

Debate is not allowed in QNC. If debate continues, then this thread will have to be moved.

 

[prgallo]

Most of it has been said already, the only point I'd like to make is the the lost are already judged as guilty and are already condemned, today during this lifetime. This is where we all came from, we used to be judged as guilty too. When someone is born again they then are saved from their existing judgement as the fine has already been paid.

The future judgements are all for rewards for Christians or for the lost the severity of the punishment in the lake of fire. (children are viewed as innocent which is how Jesus described them)

Those in hell today do not have a chance to be rejudged or have it reconsidered that they belong in heaven. The reverse is also true.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]John 3 Read This Chapter[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]3:18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [/FONT]

 

[flightangel777]

This is my what i beileve i beileve that we have no say who go's to heaven and who goes to hell its not up to us to decided that only God can make that choice and a nother thing is that he said he didnt want one peron to perish so did you ever consider that God always gives someone a chance even after they die i think so and i also think its a worthless subject becuase we arn't God and we don't decided what he dose to people.

 

[prgallo]

This is my what i beileve i beileve that we have no say who go's to heaven and who goes to hell its not up to us to decided that only God can make that choice and a nother thing is that he said he didnt want one peron to perish so did you ever consider that God always gives someone a chance even after they die i think so and i also think its a worthless subject becuase we arn't God and we don't decided what he dose to people.

God does tell us a lot about how He works and what salvation is and how to obtain it, also He tells us a lot about what happens to those that don't do so.

Discussion about all that He said can be useful and informative as Christians are instructed to read and study His word in the Bible.

He did say He didn't want anyone to perish, but He also said the gate is narrow and many will fall away and not make it. So the whole Bible needs to be studied.

As far as a second chance goes and what you asked, yes I know I've considered it and no I don't believe there is such a thing.

Check out: http://www.gotquestions.org/second-chance-salvation.html for one explanation of why not.

 

[wiggbuggie]

Do all non-christians go to hell, or am I mistaken?

Give bible verses that support your statement, don't say "Oh they don't because that wouldn't be right" and simply believe so because it sounds right.

Thank you!

your faith saves you and when you repent from your sins and listen to the word of God (works). Look at the old testament chrisitianity wasnt even a religion yet but God still cared for everyone and people like Moses and Noah were saved because of their faith to God and they also obeyed him whenever God spoke

 

[prgallo]

An interesting point was raised, under the old covenant which included the period of the law when people were saved by their faith in God, by repenting and by obeying God.

I hope this isn't considered debate, rather an explanation stating scripture outlining the Gospel and who will not go to hell and who will.

Since Jesus came and the church age started, the increased revelation and knowledge of Christ has changed that, these verses should be read in context as taking stand alone verses can be misleading, this is just briefer:

The purpose of the law which is defined in the old covenant is to reveal our sin, not save us:

Ro 3:20 - Show Context
Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Today salvation comes by grace through faith, which is a gift of God:

Eph 2:8 - Show Context
For by grace you have been saved throughfaith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

Those not saved are under the law and already condemned, this includes Christians before they became Christians:

John 3 Read This Chapter3:18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Christians are no longer under law but under grace:

Ro 6:14 - Show Context
For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but undergrace.
Ro 6:15 - Show Context
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but undergrace? Certainly not!

In order to receive that gift, which can’t be earned by works, someone must believe in his heart that Jesus is who the Son of God (actually God with us), repent and receive Jesus as savior:

Ro 10:9 - Show Context
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

This salvation is referred to as being born again:

John 3 Read This Chapter
3:3
Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
3:7
Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'



There is no other way to God and heaven:

Joh 14:6 - Show Context
Jesus said to him, "I am theway, the truth, and the life. No one comes totheFather except through Me.


Anyone that denies this as the only way rejects Jesus and therefore denies God:

1 John 2 Read This Chapter
2:22
Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
2:23
Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.


There are many more verses that talk to this truth; the best way to understand them is to study them all.

Ooops, actually this is not the entire Gospel, just the part that gets someone out of hell and into heaven; the rest of the Gospel can be summed up in:

Galatians 2 Read This Chapter
2:20
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.




Now that is the entire gospel, which is required to understand the hell/heaven answer.