Who did Moses chat with?

Kristos · Sep 28, 2011

Lion King said:
I believe that Moses spoke with God. Anything more than that would be mere speculation, and I don't deal with wild guesses when it comes to the word of the LORD.

God has revealed Himself as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This can't be ignored in lieu of a more general Unitarian view.

Lion King · Sep 28, 2011

Kristos said:
God has revealed Himself as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This can't be ignored in lieu of a more general Unitarian view.

Well, since there is one God, I believe it is El Shaddai (for He alone is my LORD) that Moses spoke with.

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD "Deuteronomy 6:4

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 28, 2011

Lion King said:
Well, since there is one God, I believe it is El Shaddai (for He alone is my LORD) that Moses spoke with.

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD "Deuteronomy 6:4

Great verse! The Jews and Muslims also say the same thing

Search for 'Genesis 1:1' in the version

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear-thou! Yisra'el-- YHVH, Elohiym of us, YHVH one. [Mark 12:29]

NKJV) Mark 12:29 Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one'".

NASB) Mark 12:29 Jesus answered, "The foremost is, `HEAR, O ISRAEL ! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD;

JohnRabbit · Sep 28, 2011

David64 said:
Originally Posted by David64

Jo. 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son,who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

Jo. 6:46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

Jo.5:37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.

We need to read all scriptures on the subject.

Originally Posted by JohnRabbit maybe you need to reread my post!

again:

the jews that Jesus was answering from verse 18 of the same chapter had never heard the voice of the Father.
He did not say "no one".

It seem obvious that it is you who needs to do the rereading.[/QUOTE]

in jn 5:37, does Jesus say "you" or "no one"? (of course the answer is obvious)

in jn 1:18, jn 6:46, and 1jn 4:12, it only speaks of "no one" having seen the Father, not heard.

David64 · Sep 28, 2011

JohnRabbit said:
It seem obvious that it is you who needs to do the rereading.

in jn 5:37, does Jesus say "you" or "no one"?[/quote]

Did I refer only to Jo. 5:37 or did I refer to all the scriptures that mention the subject?
I never even mentioned Jo. 5:37 until after you did.
I harmonized what Jesus said on the subject; you know, "hear a little there a little".

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 28, 2011

David64 said:
in jn 5:37, does Jesus say "you" or "no one"?

Did I refer only to Jo. 5:37 or did I refer to all the scriptures that mention the subject?
I never even mentioned Jo. 5:37 until after you did.
I harmonized what Jesus said on the subject; you know, "hear a little there a little".

Coincidentally that is also what this great site uses in their URL

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Kristos · Sep 28, 2011

Lion King said:
Well, since there is one God, I believe it is El Shaddai (for He alone is my LORD) that Moses spoke with.

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD "Deuteronomy 6:4

So you're Jewish?

JohnRabbit · Sep 28, 2011

David64 said:
in jn 5:37, does Jesus say "you" or "no one"?

Did I refer only to Jo. 5:37 or did I refer to all the scriptures that mention the subject?
I never even mentioned Jo. 5:37 until after you did.
I harmonized what Jesus said on the subject; you know, "hear a little there a little".[/quote]

i know what you said from your post #35:

David64 said:
"Well since Jesus said no one had heard the Father it had to be an angel sent by God the Father with a message from Him.

Remember scripture can not be broken".

i responded to the fact that you said Jesus said that "no one" had heard the voice of the Father.

so, i included the verse (jn 5:37), to show what He did say and i also included other scriptures on the subject to show a clear picture of what was said.

you know? like you said "here a little, there a little".

Lion King · Sep 28, 2011

Kristos said:
So you're Jewish?

No. I am a Christian......I believe in one God.

how many gods do ye have?

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 28, 2011

Originally Posted by Kristos

So you're Jewish?

Lion King said:
No. I am a Christian......I believe in one God.

how many gods do ye have?

The same God as the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses

Genesis 17:1 And Abram is becoming son of ninety nine years and YHVH is appearing to Abram and is saying to him "I El Shadday, walk thee! before Me and become thee flawless!"
[Used 48 times in OC...........31 times in Job]

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

Strong's Number G3841 matches the Greek παντοκράτωρ (pantokratōr), which occurs 10 times in 10 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

2 Corin 6:18 And I shall be to ye as a father and ye shall be to Me as sons and daughters is saying Lord Almighty/pantokratwr <3841>.

Reve 19:6 And I hear as sound of a vast throng and as sound of many waters and as sound of strong thunders saying "allelouia! that reigns Lord the God the Almighty"/panto-kratwr <3841>.

LaSpino3 · Sep 28, 2011

Lion King, Every Christian believes in one God. The problem with this whole discussion is to understand what the word "one" means. Concerning "One God,"

The word, "One," can be,

Single in number, as an individual, meaning one man, one book. But, it also can mean, one in union, or, one united body.

The word one, like many other adjectives is used without a noun, and is to be considered as a substitute for some noun understood. For example, if we say,

1. "Let the men (plural) depart one by one (singular)."

2. "Count them = (the men plural) one by one (singular.)"

3. "Every one = (speaking of a group of men) has his (singular) peculiar habits."

Gen.2:24, "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave = (be joined) unto his wife: and they (plural) shall be one (singular) flesh." Two people, one flesh.

Gen.34:16, "Then will we give our daughters unto you, and we will take your daughters to us, and we (plural) will dwell with you, and we will become one (singular) people." That is, many people will become one people.

Col.3:15, "Ye = (many) are called in one body;" In this verse we see that many people are called into one body, which is the church of Jesus Christ.

When we speak of One God, we are speaking of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as being one in union. Union implying two or more being united, a conjunction of minds, wills, affections, and interests.

I hope this clears up your understanding on the subject.

Phil LaSpino

Kristos · Sep 28, 2011

Lion King said:
No. I am a Christian......I believe in one God.

how many gods do ye have?

Unitarian then?

Lion King · Sep 28, 2011

LaSpino3, thanks for the reply.

Since you state that you believe in one God, then it clearly shouldn't be that difficult to decipher who Moses spoke with.

"For you are great, and do wondrous things: you are God alone." Psalm 86:10http://bible.cc/psalms/86-11.htm

Lion King · Sep 28, 2011

Kristos said:
Unitarian then?

I don't even know what that means, but if that label is for people who believe in one God (the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, the God of Jacob), then I'll gladly accept it.

visionary · Sep 28, 2011

from scratch said:
So do you have some Scripture to show that it was Jesus who spoke to Moses in the burning bush? I'm looking for Scripture that backs your idea. I'm really interested in anything prior to the burning bush in this case.

at first appearance Moses saw what looked to be an angel.. but upon closer inspection He heard God say... just like Yeshua said "before Abraham I AM....
Acts 7:30 After forty years had passed, an angel appeared to Moses in the flames of a burning bush in the desert near Mount Sinai. 31 When he saw this, he was amazed at the sight. As he went over to get a closer look, he heard the Lord say: 32 I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

How is that for Yeshua showing up? This "He" is Yeshua that is being talked about..

37 This is the Moses who told the Israelites, God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your own people. 38 He was in the assembly in the wilderness, with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our ancestors; and he received living words to pass on to us.

Before His incarnate.. His appearance was like an angel.

Kristos · Sep 28, 2011

visionary said:
at first appearance Moses saw what looked to be an angel.. but upon closer inspection He heard God say... just like Yeshua said "before Abraham I AM....
Acts 7:30 After forty years had passed, an angel appeared to Moses in the flames of a burning bush in the desert near Mount Sinai. 31 When he saw this, he was amazed at the sight. As he went over to get a closer look, he heard the Lord say: 32 I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

How is that for Yeshua showing up? This "He" is Yeshua that is being talked about..

37 This is the Moses who told the Israelites, God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your own people. 38 He was in the assembly in the wilderness, with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our ancestors; and he received living words to pass on to us.

Before His incarnate.. His appearance was like an angel.

Why did you vote for both then?

visionary · Sep 28, 2011

Kristos said:
Why did you vote for both then?

Ever wonder why Abraham says Lord Lord... like he is address two of them..

Kristos · Sep 28, 2011

visionary said:
Ever wonder why Abraham says Lord Lord... like he is address two of them..

Why just the two, why not all three?

visionary · Sep 28, 2011

Kristos said:
Why just the two, why not all three?

I don't know the answer to that one... it is like how many does it take to make "us" in the beginning?

Jase · Sep 28, 2011

visionary said:
Ever wonder why Abraham says Lord Lord... like he is address two of them..

Um, Lord Lord has nothing to do with Abraham speaking to 2 personhoods.

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