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So what is LK 24:44 talking about then? I do read all things which Jesus made very clear exactly what they were.
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So what is LK 24:44 talking about then? I do read all things which Jesus made very clear exactly what they were.I'll admit that I'm still not sure what Luke 16:16 means. I think it's interesting though that in verse 17 Christ says that heaven and earth will pass away before something from the law changes. So either Christ is confused, or He's not saying what you think He is.
God nor Christ are the authors of confusion [except perhaps to the Jews today?]
1 Corinthians 14:33 for not is of tulmuts/confusion/akatastasiaV <181> the God, but of peace
as in all the Outcalleds of the Saints.
Luke 21:9 Whenever yet ye should be hearing battles and tumults/akatastasiaV <181> no may be being dismayed, for is binding these to be becoming
but not immediately the end
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Why those commandmentsare certianly not the current commandments of the NC nor the one Given in I John 3:23, are they?Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament...
Rev 12:17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God (So which commandments are these?), and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God (Which ones are these?) and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened (Wonder why it's called the temple of the tabrenacle of the testimony? Could that be another reference to the Ark of the Covenant? HMMMMMMM?)
Rev 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
What's sad is how easily all of these verses will be ignored. With that, I'm finished here.
So you wish to deny Scripture. OK. Just don't expect me to do the same.
Now where is it that those rules are recommanded in the NC/NT? What does LK 16:16 say? And that isn't Paul BTW.
Is Jesus lying or is He mis quoted? We have Jesus saying a new (kainos) commandment.
Why those commandmentsare certianly not the current commandments of the NC nor the one Given in I John 3:23, are they?
Like I said, ignored.
Here again the use of commandments is meant by you to be only the 10 Cs. It is a problem in understanding the truth.
That is correct. Not only from examining the statements Jesus, but also considering LK 16:16. So what is the truth? Evidently Luke if fibbing.
IOW Jesus changed the law. It doesn't matter where it is changed. The law didn't include a matter of the heart as a trangression thereof. Otherwise Jesus couldn't make that statement.
Then Jesus didn't fulfil all righteousness contrary to His testimony in LK 24:44.
And you should note that the day of vengeance doesn't apply to Jesus. [/COLOR]
You should also note that chapter 21 is about end time events and not thing pertaining to Jesus. This is spelled out in Mat 5 and clarified in LK 24:44. You're demanding that the Mat 5 reference pertain to every prophecy in Scripture which it doesn't.
What did Jesus write?
Wouldn't that be like Moses in this instance? Indeed Moses did write of Jesus such as Gen 1:26 and 3:15. I know that isn't complete and that isn't my purpose.
Jesus for sure!NOPE marriage and adultery was before the law. The law itself and Jesus both testify to this fact.Matter of opinion, I guess.
The Ark is safely guardedFunny you can tell me what they aren't but you CAN'T tell me why John was shown the Ark of the Covenant. Why is that?
Last time I checked the word my is possessive. If one possesses something it is at least in their control and ususally means they own it.
So is the subject matter marriage and adultery or the law?
Is the focus sin or the law?
The point of the verse you reference is circumcision is the keeping of the law. Circumcision has nothing to do with marriage that I can see. Is Paul advocating an obligation to the law? How? I don't see anything requiring circumcision even in Romans 2. Why would Paul promote something he calls dung? Sure makes sense, doesn't it?
How did I skirt the question? Isn't the issue the commandments and specifically the 10 Cs. Is that what I John 3:23 is saying? How? Please explain.
Now you say that I skirt the issue by refusing to discuss v 4. In using this verse one is defining and limiting sin to the violation of the law. How can this idea be so?
We have an equal statement in Romans 14:23 saying whatsoever is not of faith is sin. This doesn't refer to the law.
We also have Rom 5:13 that clearly says sin was in the world before the law. If that is so sin can't be only the violation of the law.
I what you really mean that I choose to consider the rest of the Scripture when I think about I John 3:4?
It doesn't say whoever doesn't observe the law. Righteouness doesn't come by the law. see Rom 3:21, Gal 2:21, 3:21 and Phil 3:9. Same goes about Cain's righteousness referred to in v 12 below.
Again you have a problem with the pronouns. I sure wished sometimes there were no such things. It would make understing lots easier. I've addressed Mat 19:17-19 several times before. One must again consider not only the immediate context but the rest of Scripture as well. Your intention here makes Jesus lie (John 10)when He says one must come through Him to get into heaven or have access to God the Father, IOW possess salvation
And you wish to hang the all the Christian faith on obedience to a superceded law that no longer has jurisdiction by the use of v 4. The point of v 23 is the covenant has changed and so did the requirements of God. Now talk about who is real.
Where does from scratch promote keeping the commmandmnts? Please cite. I clearly don't promote sin which isn't the same thing as promoting obligation to the law for the Christian
Isn't this saying that Jesus didn't issue the 10 Cs? I think so.
Who did Moses chat with
Did we ever figure out who Moses chatted with?
Hebrews is about the sacrifical system. It's about the majesty of Christ's ministry and how it did away with the earthly system. A cursory reading of the book reveals that.
of course you are!
Yeppers that was an interesting post. Since they saw God why did Moses later ask to see God? Yes I realized that God said no one can see His face and live. So what was Moses asking? He saw God and yet when he asked to see God, he was denied.yes, i answered the question in my post #109 earlier in the thread!
moses chatted with the One we know as the Christ!
Interesting. So how does this affect what John Rabbit posted? I love discussion.Exodus 3:5-6 Do not come any closer, God said. Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground. Then he said, I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God. NIV
Acts 3:13 "The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus." NIV
I guess that depends on what you mean when you say or use the word God. There is a clear distinction in the Bible naming all three members of the God head. Even in the OT.I think this survey is bias. I don't have two or three God's. God is one
Very good JohnRabbit, very good! In reading the chapter how is it that this is a a command of the NC. What is James saying here? Is he infact stressing law observance? Usually James 2 is discussed from the standpoint of works. What works does James say we're to be doing? Is it the works of the law? Where is the law called the law of liberty in Scripture?james 2:11, doesn't get any clearer that that!
"...but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law."
and before you go into your hissy, it's not me that's saying that, but the first part of the verse,
Neither reference above from the NT deal with the law as in promoting it. Look at this - 20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. Eph 2."For He who said,..."as for lk 16:16, put that together with eph 2:19-20, to understand that it's all part of the laying down of the foundation for the kingdom of God, that's yet to come! and, as far as i know, every kingdom i've ever heard of has laws, yes, even God's (isah 2:3).
Yeppers and what was preached the kingdom of God or the law? LK 16:16. And what exactly were these things? Wealth? NOPE! just drink, food and clothing. The only things one needs which is different from the law.after all,
Matthew 6:33(NKJV)
33But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness (see ps 119:172, js 2 whole chapter), and all these things shall be added to you.
Beats me. I don't really get into prophecy stuff as it doesn't affect my salvation. So Revelation isn't one of my very studied books. It has been abused to the point I've lost most interest in it. I do occasionally quote from it.Funny you can tell me what they aren't but you CAN'T tell me why John was shown the Ark of the Covenant. Why is that?
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