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Uphill Battle

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There is a belief among EO that I have seen whereas they claim that Mary, upon giving birth to Christ, had her hymen remain intact, despite the birth.


Can I ask how was this even remotely verified? :scratch:


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Probably in the same manner her virginity is known to have been intact at conception- by faith.

I know that you believe that scripture is 'proof,' but in point of fact scripture is held to be true by faith.
There is no inherent superiority of truth claims made from scripture and those made from other sources.

That is, if you insist on using the term 'verified.'
 
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right, it is held to be true by faith.

However, we don't have a faith based on nothing, we have a record.

How could you even BEGIN to have a record about the condition of Mary's hymen? Seriously, the thought disturbs me. The claim of knowledge of such disturbs me.
 
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Can I ask how was this even remotely verified? :scratch:

Perhaps it would help to answer your question if you would be kind enough to provide a link to the post you quoted in order that we may know the context of that thread and source of the quote.

It would be more seemly if that member had been asked your question and to give that member better opportunity to explain and defend the statement.

Fair if fair, even in debate...or is it?

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Perhaps it would help to answer your question if you would be kind enough to provide a link to the post you quoted in order that we may know the context of that thread and source of the quote.

It would be more seemly if that member had been asked your question and to give that member better opportunity to explain and defend the statement.

Fair if fair, even in debate...or is it?

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I couldn't address it in that thread, it isn't in Mariology.

I abstained from the name, as it is not about the poster, but about the belief.
 
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Uphill Battle,

I think most probably the Church believes and teaches this from Mary herself. Don't forget that she spent the rest of her life after Jesus' death with St. John the Theologion. Also St. Luke got many of his details in his Gospel from her. So many things were likely passed from her to these Apostles.

So if you mean scientific verification - there probably was none. It would be based on Mary's own testimony.

(This is all just my own thoughts on it, nothing more.)

Mary
 
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Uphill Battle,

I think most probably the Church believes and teaches this from Mary herself. Don't forget that she spent the rest of her life after Jesus' death with St. John the Theologion. Also St. Luke got many of his details in his Gospel from her. So many things were likely passed from her to these Apostles.

So if you mean scientific verification - there probably was none. It would be based on Mary's own testimony.

(This is all just my own thoughts on it, nothing more.)

Mary
As recorded where?

Where is this first recorded? Is it an Apostolic writing or is did it show up somewhere areound 400?, 800? 1200?

I am not disputing its accuracy or inaccuracy but where and when is it first recorded?
 
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right, it is held to be true by faith.

However, we don't have a faith based on nothing, we have a record.

How could you even BEGIN to have a record about the condition of Mary's hymen? Seriously, the thought disturbs me. The claim of knowledge of such disturbs me.
You mean like the gospel record that says she was a virgin when betrothed?
/obvious
 
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You mean like the gospel record that says she was a virgin when betrothed?
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Yes and also that Jesus was her Firstborn son and that Joseph kept her a virgin until the birth of Christ.. From the same place.. The scripture.
 
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I couldn't address it in that thread, it isn't in Mariology.

I abstained from the name, as it is not about the poster, but about the belief.

In other words, it's fine for you to refuse to even post a link to the thread, which is there for all to read, all posts for public eyes, even non-members and unregistered readers.

To me, the question is therefore dishonest, because you do not provide adequate background to answer it properly.

When or if I find the member whom you quoted, I shall apologize for this lapse of fairness in the way you have chosen to use another's word as basis for an unpleasant invitation to view the personal life of the mother of Jesus Christ.

When you are in front of the Messiah, and He asks why you had no respect for His mother, what will you answer? Just keep in mind that He knows the truth, not your excuses.


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UpHill,

I don't know if this is just a Orthodox belief or if Catholics also believe this to be true. I've never heard this before myself.

This to me this sounds like speculation.

Maybe an Orthodox can verify but I think it's piously believed, not dogmatically believed.
 
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Yes and also that Jesus was her Firstborn son and that Joseph kept her a virgin until the birth of Christ.. From the same place.. The scripture.
So, who verified this? Did Luke have pictures? Testimonials? Or is the scripture, the document of faith, believed by faith? And if so, what is this nonsense about "verification?"
 
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Where in the heck is that ever said in scripture?


Oh, um, uh, you are using a word that is not in the scriptures, how do you know it's ok to use it?

"Heck"


:scratch:

Don't you realize that those who frequent these threads will not believe anything you say unless they can find it in their personal Bibles?


:sigh:
 
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Uphill Battle,

I think most probably the Church believes and teaches this from Mary herself. Don't forget that she spent the rest of her life after Jesus' death with St. John the Theologion. Also St. Luke got many of his details in his Gospel from her. So many things were likely passed from her to these Apostles.

So if you mean scientific verification - there probably was none. It would be based on Mary's own testimony.

(This is all just my own thoughts on it, nothing more.)

Mary
fair enough, I won't argue your thoughts on the matter. Thanks.
 
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In other words, it's fine for you to refuse to even post a link to the thread, which is there for all to read, all posts for public eyes, even non-members and unregistered readers.

To me, the question is therefore dishonest, because you do not provide adequate background to answer it properly.

When or if I find the member whom you quoted, I shall apologize for this lapse of fairness in the way you have chosen to use another's word as basis for an unpleasant invitation to view the personal life of the mother of Jesus Christ.

When you are in front of the Messiah, and He asks why you had no respect for His mother, what will you answer? Just keep in mind that He knows the truth, not your excuses.


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Is there a specific reason why you are traipsing around the board and hounding me?

I gave my reasons. STOP hounding me.

BTW... you can see from the responses on this thread that it IS a held belief. I didn't make it up.
 
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Where in the heck is that ever said in scripture?
I think the reference is to the "remained a virgin until Jesus was born passage."

you know the one that is argues so much, is until doesn't mean neccessarily that something happened after...
 
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Perhaps it would help to answer your question if you would be kind enough to provide a link to the post you quoted in order that we may know the context of that thread and source of the quote.

It would be more seemly if that member had been asked your question and to give that member better opportunity to explain and defend the statement.

Fair if fair, even in debate...or is it?

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In other words, it's fine for you to refuse to even post a link to the thread, which is there for all to read, all posts for public eyes, even non-members and unregistered readers.

To me, the question is therefore dishonest, because you do not provide adequate background to answer it properly.

When or if I find the member whom you quoted, I shall apologize for this lapse of fairness in the way you have chosen to use another's word as basis for an unpleasant invitation to view the personal life of the mother of Jesus Christ.

When you are in front of the Messiah, and He asks why you had no respect for His mother, what will you answer? Just keep in mind that He knows the truth, not your excuses.
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Is there a specific reason why you are traipsing around the board and hounding me?

I gave my reasons. STOP hounding me.

BTW... you can see from the responses on this thread that it IS a held belief. I didn't make it up.


You have posted a thread with an OP that I have challenged and for reasons I have made clear.

The way in which you have used the quote of an obviously devout member is in question.

You are free to adamantly voice your concerns, I think I am, as well. And I am deeply troubled by the device of the OP in this thread. You accuse me of "hounding" you when I disagree with you on a public forum.

This seems to be demanding an advantage for yourself that you do not wish for others as well.

Shall I get upset every time you have responded to my posts?

Mariology is not a huge forum, I assume all the threads in it are available to all Christian members of CF.

BTW, do I understand that you are accusing me of violating a rule?

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