White supremacy is the root of all race-related violence in the US

SummerMadness · May 10, 2021

White supremacy is the root of all race-related violence in the US

Amid the disturbing rise in attacks on Asian Americans since March 2020 is a troubling category of these assaults: Black people are also attacking Asian Americans.

White people are the main perpetrators of anti-Asian racism. But in February 2021, a Black person pushed an elderly Asian man to the ground in San Francisco; the man later died from his injuries. In another video, from New York City on March 29, 2021, a Black person pushes and beats an Asian American woman on the sidewalk in front of a doorway while onlookers observe the attack, then close their door on the woman without intervening or providing aid.

The point I’ve made through all of those experiences is that anti-Asian racism has the same source as anti-Black racism: white supremacy. So when a Black person attacks an Asian person, the encounter is fueled perhaps by racism, but very specifically by white supremacy. White supremacy does not require a white person to perpetuate it.

White supremacy is an ideology, a pattern of values and beliefs that are ingrained in nearly every system and institution in the U.S. It is a belief that to be white is to be human and invested with inalienable universal rights and that to be not-white means you are less than human – a disposable object for others to abuse and misuse.

The dehumanization of Asian people by U.S. society is driven by white supremacy and not by any Black person who may or may not hate Asians.

This same rhetoric of blaming anyone perceived to be Chinese for COVID-19 and attacking them has been found in countless reports of harassment, including one by a Vietnamese American woman who was spat at by a white man as she tried to enter a grocery store in March 2021. Four days later, video footage showed a 76-year-old Chinese woman who was punched in the face by a 39-year-old white man, on the same day that a white man killed eight people, including six Asian women, in Atlanta.

Stories of individual harassment and violence perpetrated against Asian Americans by white assailants don’t always get the same attention as the viral videos of Black aggression toward Asians.

Oddly enough, we did see that same attitude pushed here where there was an attempt to frame attacks on Asian Americans as a "black violence" issue, as if there is some underlying hatred that African Americans have toward Asians because they are Asian. Given our media landscape and it's history, it's also not surprising that we see this narrative is completely false:

DEMBY: OK. So real quick, 'cause now I'm curious, like, what do we know about who was carrying out these attacks on Asian people?

PERRY: So I talked to a researcher from University of Michigan. Her and her team have been tracking all incidents of anti-Asian racism and violence that were reported in the news during all of 2020. I just want to back up and say that these numbers are spotty because a lot of these incidents don't get reported. So what the team did find out is that white people accounted for 90% of anti-Asian incidents in 2020, but only 5% of perpetrators were Black.

MERAJI: Yeah. And before the Atlanta shooting happened, this Black-Asian tension seems like it was dominating a lot of these online conversations.

PERRY: There were other people in these online forums pushing back, though. They were saying, let's stop saying Black people are the reason for these attacks and hatred against Asian Americans. They're not the problem; white supremacy is the problem.

The real source of the anti-Asian hatred comes from the political and media sources that thrive on demagoguery around the virus. You can see the direct line of this bigotry spread from these sources and end up on forums like this; their bigotry is simply disguised with etiquette to appear less blatant.

Ana the Ist · May 10, 2021

SummerMadness said:
White supremacy is the root of all race-related violence in the US

Oddly enough, we did see that same attitude pushed here where there was an attempt to frame attacks on Asian Americans as a "black violence" issue, as if there is some underlying hatred that African Americans have toward Asians because they are Asian. Given our media landscape and it's history, it's also not surprising that we see this narrative is completely false:

The real source of the anti-Asian hatred comes from the political and media sources that thrive on demagoguery around the virus. You can see the direct line of this bigotry spread from these sources and end up on forums like this; their bigotry is simply disguised with etiquette to appear less blatant.

Wow....the hoops one has to jump through to make this argument are ridiculous.

Here's an answer that makes more sense. Anyone can be racist....no white supremacy required.

friend of · May 10, 2021

Last time I checked the media was in league with CRT

SummerMadness · May 10, 2021

Spit On, Yelled At, Attacked: Chinese-Americans Fear for Their Safety

Yuanyuan Zhu was walking to her gym in San Francisco on March 9, thinking the workout could be her last for a while, when she noticed that a man was shouting at her. He was yelling an expletive about China. Then a bus passed, she recalled, and he screamed after it, "Run them over."

She tried to keep her distance, but when the light changed, she was stuck waiting with him at the crosswalk. She could feel him staring at her. And then, suddenly, she felt it: his saliva hitting her face and her favorite sweater.

In shock, Ms. Zhu, who is 26 and moved to the United States from China five years ago, hurried the rest of the way to the gym. She found a corner where no one could see her, and she cried quietly.

In interviews over the past week, nearly two dozen Asian-Americans across the country said they were afraid — to go grocery shopping, to travel alone on subways or buses, to let their children go outside. Many described being yelled at in public — a sudden spasm of hate that is reminiscent of the kind faced by American Muslims, Arabs and South Asians in the United States after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

But unlike in 2001, when President George W. Bush urged tolerance of American Muslims, this time President Trump is using language that Asian-Americans say is inciting racist attacks.

Mr. Trump and his Republican allies are intent on calling the coronavirus "the Chinese virus," rejecting the World Health Organization's guidance against using geographic locations when naming illnesses, since past names have provoked a backlash.

What a difference it makes changing presidents, there is no longer a fomenter of hate from the top. It also shows how despite George W. Bush's shortcomings, he still treated people with humanity.

tryphena rose · May 10, 2021

SummerMadness said:
White supremacy is the root of all race-related violence in the US

Oddly enough, we did see that same attitude pushed here where there was an attempt to frame attacks on Asian Americans as a "black violence" issue, as if there is some underlying hatred that African Americans have toward Asians because they are Asian. Given our media landscape and it's history, it's also not surprising that we see this narrative is completely false:

The real source of the anti-Asian hatred comes from the political and media sources that thrive on demagoguery around the virus. You can see the direct line of this bigotry spread from these sources and end up on forums like this; their bigotry is simply disguised with etiquette to appear less blatant.

Yeah, I'm guessing this black woman who attacked two asian women with a hammer in NYC is a real white-supremacist. And I guess all of the other black people who've been caught on camera assaulting asians are the same.

But really, I'd give her the benefit of the doubt and say she could have attacked them for any reason, not just because of how they looked. Mental illness? Drugs? Could have been a number of factors. The fact that she was walking around carrying a hammer means she already had it in her mind and heart to hurt somebody. And that could have literally been anyone.

Let's stop pretending like the big bad racist is lurking around every street corner waiting to attack, ok?

SummerMadness · May 10, 2021

tryphena rose said:
Yeah, I'm guessing this black woman who attacked two asian women with a hammer in NYC is a real white-supremacist. And I guess all of the other black people who've been caught on camera assaulting asians are the same.

The exact point you're making is addressed in this article. There has been a focus on online forums to highlight Black people attacking Asians, when the majority of these attackers are not Black people. In addition, anti-Asian sentiment is rooted in white supremacy in America. The source of the current wave of anti-Asian hatred is none other than the unpopular one-term president that was given the boot. He railed against China, all the while his media allies supported and promoted this rhetoric.

tryphena rose · May 10, 2021

SummerMadness said:
The exact point you're making is addressed in this article. There has been a focus on online forums to highlight Black people attacking Asians, when the majority of these attackers are not Black people. In addition, anti-Asian sentiment is rooted in white supremacy in America. The source of the current wave of anti-Asian hatred is none other than the unpopular one-term president that was given the boot. He railed against China, all the while his media allies supported and promoted this rhetoric.

So blame Trump and white-supremacy as the source of all of evils within the world?

SummerMadness · May 10, 2021

tryphena rose said:
So blame Trump and white-supremacy as the source of all of evils within the world?

Hello, straw man. I know I didn't invite you, but I have to say hello because you're here anyway.

dqhall · May 10, 2021

SummerMadness said:
The exact point you're making is addressed in this article. There has been a focus on online forums to highlight Black people attacking Asians, when the majority of these attackers are not Black people. In addition, anti-Asian sentiment is rooted in white supremacy in America. The source of the current wave of anti-Asian hatred is none other than the unpopular one-term president that was given the boot. He railed against China, all the while his media allies supported and promoted this rhetoric.

I lived in a big city and was robbed by blacks. They rob black people too. Someone who did not hand over money to the muggers was killed, testifying before dying of his injuries.

I am skeptical of racist discussions that attack whites without recognizing the abuse other ethnic groups have been capable of.

tryphena rose · May 10, 2021

SummerMadness said:
Hello, straw man. I know I didn't invite you, but I have to say hello because you're here anyway.

You don't have to invite me because this is an open forum. What I said wasn't a straw man, it was a simplified version of what you basically stated.

SummerMadness · May 10, 2021

dqhall said:
I lived in a big city and was robbed by blacks. They rob black people too. Someone who did not hand over money to the muggers was killed, testifying before dying of his injuries.

I am skeptical of racist discussions that attack whites without recognizing the abuse other ethnic groups have been capable of.

This has nothing to do with white people. White supremacy is not about white people, it's about the racial hierarchy that is created in society and how it affects all within a society. We should not confuse white supremacy white white people because they're not the same thing. The only connection is that it is an ideology that places white people at the top of a racial hierarchy.

That's why, for instance, it was Japanese Americans who were interned during World War II, as opposed to German Americans. It's not about blaming white people for internment as much as it is identifying white supremacy as the reason why Japanese people were targeted as less than. We have the same thing with the coronavirus pandemic; Asian people are targeted, and American society, with a history of white supremacy, attacks victims who have nothing to do with this virus. I think there is a broader issue of relegating racist attacks to being individual moral failings. Racism, at its core, has not been about individual moral failings, it's about structures and systems in society that influence habits and customs.

Ana the Ist · May 10, 2021

SummerMadness said:
The exact point you're making is addressed in this article. There has been a focus on online forums to highlight Black people attacking Asians, when the majority of these attackers are not Black people.

Data please.

In addition, anti-Asian sentiment is rooted in white supremacy in America.

Those black people are racist....not white supremacist.

I understand that's difficult for people who don't want to believe black people can be racist....

We aren't going to fix this problem by hiding it though, we should confront the racism that exists in the black community.

SummerMadness · May 10, 2021

tryphena rose said:
You don't have to invite me because this is an open forum. What I said wasn't a straw man, it was a simplified version of what you basically stated.

Your "fixed it for ya" reply is an inaccurate representation of what I wrote.

friend of · May 10, 2021

Let me guess. You're one of those people who think that only white people can be racist, right?

whatbogsends · May 10, 2021

SummerMadness said:
White supremacy is the root of all race-related violence in the US

Oddly enough, we did see that same attitude pushed here where there was an attempt to frame attacks on Asian Americans as a "black violence" issue, as if there is some underlying hatred that African Americans have toward Asians because they are Asian. Given our media landscape and it's history, it's also not surprising that we see this narrative is completely false:

The real source of the anti-Asian hatred comes from the political and media sources that thrive on demagoguery around the virus. You can see the direct line of this bigotry spread from these sources and end up on forums like this; their bigotry is simply disguised with etiquette to appear less blatant.

Of course, the claims of this are based on number of "hate crimes", not simply assault statistics. If we look into who's assaulting who, we understand why people think blacks are assaulting Asians at a higher rate than whites are assaulting Asians - because they are, both in raw numbers (by a little bit) and by rates (by a lot).

In 2018, there were 182,230 reports of Asian victims. Of these, the offender was white 24% of the time and Black 28% of the time. For comparison, the US population is 62% White, 12% Black, 17% Hispanic, and 6% Asian.
So while the US population has more white people than black people, Asians are victimized in violent crime by Black people more often than by White people even without adjusting for the population difference.

Black on Asian Crime Statistics (financegeek.org)

Some of the underlying data, although it's not formatted particularly friendly to answer this specific question:

Criminal Victimization, 2018 - Supplemental Tables (bjs.gov)

Criminal Victimization, 2018: Full report (bjs.gov)

SummerMadness · May 10, 2021

whatbogsends said:
Of course, the claims of this are based on number of "hate crimes", not simply assault statistics. If we look into who's assaulting who, we understand why people think blacks are assaulting Asians at a higher rate than whites are assaulting Asians - because they are, both in raw numbers (by a little bit) and by rates (by a lot).

In 2018, there were 182,230 reports of Asian victims. Of these, the offender was white 24% of the time and Black 28% of the time. For comparison, the US population is 62% White, 12% Black, 17% Hispanic, and 6% Asian.
So while the US population has more white people than black people, Asians are victimized in violent crime by Black people more often than by White people even without adjusting for the population difference.

Black on Asian Crime Statistics (financegeek.org)

Some of the underlying data, although it's not formatted particularly friendly to answer this specific question:

Criminal Victimization, 2018 - Supplemental Tables (bjs.gov)

Criminal Victimization, 2018: Full report (bjs.gov)

But you can't use simple assault statistics because many assaults have nothing to do with bias attacks. Granted that there is probably underreporting of such attacks, pointing to general crime statistics is not helpful when accounting for attacks that are often motivated by this pandemic.

whatbogsends · May 10, 2021

SummerMadness said:
But you can't use simple assault statistics because many assaults have nothing to do with bias attacks. Granted that there is probably underreporting of such attacks, pointing to general crime statistics is not helpful when accounting for attacks that are often motivated by this pandemic.

And the statistics for bias attacks are limited

Even as hate crimes against Asians and Asian Americans seem to be increasing, little data is available to accurately keep track of these crimes.
...
It’s tempting to use the FBI’s data to evaluate national hate crimes trends. But this data is fraught with problems that make analyzing hate crimes trends mostly impossible. The FBI’s data is certainly better than nothing, but the numbers produced by the bureau each year are not particularly useful for several reasons.

To begin with, hate crimes data reported by the FBI does not attempt to account for agencies that did not report or reported incomplete data. As a result, national hate crimes data is better thought of as a floor, rather than an accurate figure to be cited authoritatively.
...
Another major challenge with hate crimes data is that collection depends on local law enforcement agencies. In 2019, the FBI touted 15,588 law enforcement agencies across the country that participated in the hate crimes program—but far fewer agencies report data each year. As the Anti-Defamation League writes, “[T]he FBI’s report is based on voluntary local law enforcement reporting to the Bureau. In 2019, 86 percent of participating agencies didn’t report a single hate crime to the FBI, including at least 71 cities with populations over 100,000. Just over 2,000, or 14 percent, of the more than 15,000 participating agencies actively reported at least one hate crime.”

The FBI has detailed definitions of what constitutes regular offenses like aggravated assault and theft, but hate crimes are largely up to the states to define as they see best. And what gets reported as a hate crime is often up to the discretion of individual agencies. The bureau acknowledges the difficulty in ascertaining whether a reported incident is a hate crime, telling agencies that “bias is to be reported only if investigation reveals sufficient objective facts to lead a reasonable and prudent person to conclude that the offender’s actions were motivated, in whole or in part, by bias” (emphasis added).

Why There’s Not Much Data on Anti-Asian Violence - Lawfare (lawfareblog.com)

civilwarbuff · May 10, 2021

tryphena rose said:
So blame Trump and white-supremacy as the source of all of evils within the world?

Yep, and it only took 4 posts to make that conclusion.......

civilwarbuff · May 10, 2021

SummerMadness said:
This has nothing to do with white people. White supremacy is not about white people,

Really?......then why do you label it as 'WHITE supremacy'?

civilwarbuff · May 10, 2021

FactCheck: do black Americans commit more crime?

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