Whirled Peas

[mva1985]

That's not the kind of hope we are asked to hold to.

All I heard was blah blah blah.....

 

[mva1985]

The evidence shows that it is no longer a wonder. It is an established fact. Where is the Son of God supposed to come from if He is everywhere? How can He impose a lasting peace on earth without taking away our freedom? That's an impossibility. Lasting peace must be enforced and it's not pretty if it is enforced from outside. The only alternative is that we impose it upon ourselves. That is the only way.

Care to speak plainly on this one or just side stepping another question.

The question is - is the second coming about us or is it an event outside of us?

 

[Avonia]

The evidence shows that it is no longer a wonder.

Lovely. You make the Whirled Peas thread so much brighter.

 

[Avonia]

Destroying ourselves will not happen. There is a promise in Genesis that tells us this.

MVA, you have a most wonderful transparency. Thank you for taking time for Whirled Peas!

 

[JonMiller]

If this second coming is from within, not from without... then we are a very long way. And don't appear to be getting closer.

JM

 

[sentipente]

All I heard was blah blah blah.....

Don't be surprised you hear the language you speak.

 

[sentipente]

If this second coming is from within, not from without... then we are a very long way. And don't appear to be getting closer.

JM

Wrong perspective. Our condition is always a result of our scholarship. We got ourselves into it and will also have to get ourselves out of it.

 

[NightEternal]

If this thread had been entitled 'Creamed Corn' I would have been all over it Avonia!

Not much for peas though.

 

[mva1985]

Wrong perspective. Our condition is always a result of our scholarship. We got ourselves into it and will also have to get ourselves out of it.

Please show us scripture on this. I won't be holding my breath.

 

[sentipente]

Please show us scripture on this. I won't be holding my breath.

All you have to do is read Gen. 3 again. Please note that not once does any being ask the first humans to do anything. Not one single time.

 

[mva1985]

All you have to do is read Gen. 3 again. Please note that not once does any being ask the first humans to do anything. Not one single time.

Fine, but that totally contradicts your earlier statement.

We got ourselves into it and will also have to get ourselves out of it.

 

[sentipente]

If they were not enticed to do anything it could only have come from within them. What about that progression was difficult to follow?

 

[NightEternal]

Okay, the lightbulb just came on.

'Whirled Peas'....now it all makes sense.

 

[sentipente]

Okay, the lightbulb just came on.

'Whirled Peas'....now it all makes sense.

You had me worried there for a few moments with the Creamed Corn post. Welcome back. LOL

 

[Avonia]

'Whirled Peas'....now it all makes sense.

Night, it's a fairly common bumper sticker in the states. Now you're on the inside!

 

[Avonia]

STEWARDS OF THE PLANET

The January issue of Scientific American lays out a plan to end dependence on foreign oil by 2050, and slash greenhouse gasses, by erecting HUGE solar arrays in the Southwest.

Here's a snapshot:

30,000 square miles (not a typo!) of photovoltaic arrays in the Southwest and large concentrated solar plants (parabolic mirrors that heat fluid).

Storage of excess electricity produced during the day using pressure caverns (storage systems, like batteries, are too expensive, resource intensive, and inefficient). This is cool! During the day, electricity is used to compress air in underground caverns. Then you simply reverse the process and use the potential energy to run turbines to create electricity.

Hot salt storage for the concentrated solar plants (we already do some of this).

A nation-wide backbone for high-voltage, direct current power transfer. This is essential because of transmission losses (it all comes from the Southwest) and because the existing AC backbone does not have the capacity.

$420 billion to build it. Small detail there!

The authors suggest by 2050 the cost of PV energy could be around 5 cents per kWh, installed cost $1.20/W. Compressed-air energy about 9cents per kWh, installed cost $3.90/W. Concentrated solar about 9 cents per kWh, installed cost $3.7/W.

Total capacity by 2050, over 4,000GW. This is based on solar-to-electric efficiencies going up. For photovoltaics, from the current 10% to 14% by 2050. (It's gone from 9% to 10% in the last twelve months.)

The authors feel the biggest obstacle at the moment is public awareness. Most people don't understand the issue or recent advancements. Thus the reason for this post!

Germany and Japan are already pursing large-scale solar projects, although I don't think they are on this scale.

I just discovered the article is online! http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=a-solar-grand-plan&page=1

You can see critiques and conversations with the authors.


How about a 29th Adventist fundamental belief around stewardship of the planet!

 

[JonMiller]

STEWARDS OF THE PLANET

The January issue of Scientific American lays out a plan to end dependence on foreign oil by 2050, and slash greenhouse gasses, by erecting HUGE solar arrays in the Southwest.

I agree on stewardship, but a much better idea is to get our head out of the sand and start using nuclear power like Japan and europe. It is much cleaner, cheaper, and more efficient then any other planet freindly power source.

It isn't cheaper then Coal, but it is close.

It is just that the US hasn't built a new comercial reactor since '72 (and based on an older design) and our designs are old, inefficient, and not as clean is the modern reactors that other nations have been building in the last 40 years. However, we refuse to use this technology even though it would do much to get us off the oil bandwagon.

And honestly, a lot of the fault for this is environmentalists who have an irrational fear of nuclear power.

JM
(does classify himself as an environmentalist, but many don't consider everything that is involved)

 

[Sophia7]

Night, it's a fairly common bumper sticker in the states. Now you're on the inside!

Really? I've never seen one. I guess I'm not on the inside. Or I've just lived in the middle of nowhere for too long.

 

[sentipente]

Let's be honest. We have a shortage of resources becase we spend a great chunk of our resources fighting each other and protecting ourselves from ourselves. If greed and crime became unnecessary tomorrow the energy crisis would immediately disappear. Too bad that the church continues to push a theology that makes those two necessary.

 

[sentipente]

Really? I've never seen one. I guess I'm not on the inside. Or I've just lived in the middle of nowhere for too long.

Too bad. Here are other examples: http://www.peacepeas.com/cgi-bin/cpshop.cgi/3283962443?gclid=CJ-BtI-d7pACFQc8Igody3DJxA