Which three of these Ten Animals would yu restore from Extinction?

Radrook · Mar 25, 2017

Ophiolite said:
Homo georgicus

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I researched one of the creatures you said you would like to bring back from extinction-Homo Georgicus. In the video the scientist being interviewed says that based on his discovery humans might not have originated in Africa but in Eurasia instead.

BTW
There are modern humans who look like that. Ugly as all get-out but human nevertheless.

Homo Georgicus

Homo georgicus - Online Biology Dictionary

Homo erectus georgicus

Radrook · Mar 26, 2017

brinny said:
Passenger Pigeon

About the passenger Pigeon. I think that most people don't choose it because it just looks too similar to a regular pigeon. It isn't as if it is unique in outward appearance or size as compared with the DODO unique appearance or the size of the Moa. So restoring it in preference to other more unique animals might seem redundant. In fact, you could restore it right now and place it in Central Park in New York City and no one would even take notice.

By J. G. Hubbard, Internet Archive Book Images - Image from page 112 of "Bird lore" (1899) also at Wisconsin Historical society page on passenger pigeon photographs and photo pageSource book page: Bird lore, Public Domain, File:Bird lore (1913) (14562557107).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

Mograce2U · Mar 26, 2017

If I could raise the dead, aka 'restore from extinction'; I don't think of animals at all. In fact I think mostly of my father who is now in his late 80's and still denies Christ. Who cares about the existence of dodo birds when there are still people who need salvation? Or does someone here think the resurrection of the dead is about animals? But hey, have fun with your surmisings while you can...

Radrook · Mar 26, 2017

Mograce2U said:
If I could raise the dead, aka 'restore from extinction'; I don't think of animals at all. In fact I think mostly of my father who is now in his late 80's and still denies Christ. Who cares about the existence of dodo birds when there are still people who need salvation? Or does someone here think the resurrection of the dead is about animals? But hey, have fun with your surmisings while you can...

So you don't care? Strange since a Christian is supposed to care about both the Earth and all living things on it. As a Christian one is supposed to know that mankind was placed in charge of the Earth and all the animals and to acknowledge that we have a certain very serious responsibility.

To know that if we carelessly cause extinctions then we must render an account to the creator for having presumptuously and disrespectfully done so.

Proverbs 12:10, “A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.”

So a desire to want to restore things that we had absolutely no right to destroy in the first place isn't sinful. What is sinful is to feel that we don't owe God an explanation or that we can rampage around on Earth as if we are gods without any sense of responsibility whatsoever. That is sinful.

brinny · Mar 27, 2017

Radrook said:
About the passenger Pigeon. I think that most people don't choose it because it just looks too similar to a regular pigeon. It isn't as if it is unique in outward appearance or size as compared with the DODO unique appearance or the size of the Moa. So restoring it in preference to other more unique animals might seem redundant. In fact, you could restore it right now and place it in Central Park in New York City and no one would even take notice.

By J. G. Hubbard, Internet Archive Book Images - Image from page 112 of "Bird lore" (1899) also at Wisconsin Historical society page on passenger pigeon photographs and photo pageSource book page: Bird lore, Public Domain, File:Bird lore (1913) (14562557107).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

Awwwwww...i like pigeons. They are very similar to doves. These pigeons looked like a cross between the common pigeon of today and a dove.

Radrook · Mar 27, 2017

brinny said:
Awwwwww...i like pigeons. They are very similar to doves. These pigeons looked like a cross between the common pigeon of today and a dove.

Maybe you have never had a whole flock of pigeons single out your car to deposit poop as they did mine in a shopping mall parking lot.

BTW
Reminded me of the expression:

"For others they sing!"

brinny · Mar 27, 2017

Radrook said:
Maybe you have never had a whole flock of pigeons single out your car to deposit poop as they did mine in a shopping mall parking lot.

BTW
Reminded me of the expression:

"For others they sing!"

Unfortunately, pigeons do have a "down" side, and it's kinda' messy :

Radrook · Mar 27, 2017

brinny said:
Unfortunately, pigeons do have a "down" side, and it's kinda' messy :

I had taken out time to feed them bread crumbs that I had purchased just for that purpose prior to the incident. So that added insult to injury! Had the poop been equally distributed over the rest of the vehicles, then I would have said coincidence. But that option was not made available to me because only my car was covered. As if they had all converged maliciously on it.

brinny · Mar 27, 2017

Radrook said:
I had taken out time to feed them bread crumbs that I had purchased just for that purpose prior to the incident. So that added insult to injury!

Same here. I love feeding the pigeons. however, they have an "odd" way of showing their thanks. In addition, if one feeds them, they call their friends over to join the party.

Radrook · Mar 27, 2017

brinny said:
Same here. I love feeding the pigeons. however, they have an "odd" way of showing their thanks. In addition, if one feeds them, they call their friends over to join the party.

Is that a common pigeon reaction to being fed? To poop on the feeder or his property?

BTW
Pooping all over the place by the hundreds of thousands wherever the nested was one reason that passenger pigeons made enemies.

brinny · Mar 27, 2017

Radrook said:
Is that a common pigeon reaction to being fed? To poop on the feeder or his property?

Well, it's sorta' hard to control.

It's prob'ly best to feed pigeons in open spaces, like parks, etc.

Pigeons are messy, mon.

Radrook · Mar 27, 2017

brinny said:
Well, it's sorta' hard to control.

It's prob'ly best to feed pigeons in open spaces, like parks, etc.

Pigeons are messy, mon.

That kind of behavior was one reason why they were targeted:

As they flew, they covered settlements with droppings, once an important way of spreading seeds, but viewed as a nuisance by settlers.

PASSENGER PIGEON

The Passenger Pigeon (Ectopistes migratorius) was once probably the most numerous bird on Earth. In the 19th Century, there were between 1 and 4 billion Passenger pigeons - up to 40% of the total number of birds in North America. It occupied the millions of acres of primary forest across North America east of the Rockies, overwintering in the southern US. When a flock migrated, it could be up to a mile wide and up to 300 miles long. These flocks were so dense that they darkened the sky for hours or days. According to an early settler in Virginia: "There are wild pigeons in winter beyond number or imagination, myself have seen three or four hours together flocks in the air, so thick that even have they shadowed the sky from us." These flocks were so densely packed that a single shot could bring down 30-40 birds. He birds could be brought down and killed just by hitting them with pieces of wood as they flew over hilltops. The bird's only natural predators were hawks and eagles. As they flew, they covered settlements with droppings, once an important way of spreading seeds, but viewed as a nuisance by settlers.
PASSENGER PIGEON

Of course that doesn't justify killing them all. Only God has a right to remove a species from existence. Perhaps settlements could have been established away from Passenger Pigeon migratory routes in order to avoid the poop nuisance? Or reestablishment of the pigeons to less populated areas?

Radrook · Mar 27, 2017

I recently said that if you placed Passenger Pigeons among the regular ones in Central Park in NYC no one would notice the difference? I had based that on a black-and-white photo. But if indeed these beautiful representations are the way they really looked-then of course people would definitely notice the differences. They were obviously more streamlined than regular pigeons in NYC and had a far more attractive coloration.

brinny · Mar 27, 2017

Radrook said:
That kind of behavior was one reason why they were targeted:

Of course that doesn't justify killing them all. Only God has a right to remove a species from existence. Perhaps settlements could have been established away from Passenger Pigeon migratory routes in order to avoid the poop nuisance? Or reestablishment of the pigeons to less populated areas?

LOL! Yes, that can be quite a nuisance. I agree, however that they should've not been obliterated.

Apparently they became to be thought of as a sort of "vermin", like rats.

brinny · Mar 27, 2017

Radrook said:
I recently said that if you placed Passenger Pigeons among the regular ones in Central Park in NYC no one would notice the difference? I had based that on a black-and-white photo. But if indeed these beautiful representations are the way they really looked-then of course people would definitely notice the differences. They were obviously more streamlined than regular pigeons in NYC and had a far more attractive coloration.

They're beautiful. They look like a more colorful version of a dove.

Jimmy D · Mar 27, 2017

Radrook said:
About the passenger Pigeon. I think that most people don't choose it because it just looks too similar to a regular pigeon. It isn't as if it is unique in outward appearance or size as compared with the DODO unique appearance or the size of the Moa. So restoring it in preference to other more unique animals might seem redundant. In fact, you could restore it right now and place it in Central Park in New York City and no one would even take notice.

By J. G. Hubbard, Internet Archive Book Images - Image from page 112 of "Bird lore" (1899) also at Wisconsin Historical society page on passenger pigeon photographs and photo pageSource book page: Bird lore, Public Domain, File:Bird lore (1913) (14562557107).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

Skinny looking thing isn't it? I'll stick with the Moa.

Radrook · Mar 27, 2017

brinny said:
They're beautiful. They look like a more colorful version of a dove.

Here is a fascinating article concerning the probability of bringing the Passenger Pigeon back. The article also considers various possible reasons for its extinction.
For example, the laying of one solitary egg in vulnerable places coupled with dependence on vast numbers to offset the predation on those eggs. Also the invention of the telegraph which informed distant human hunters where the pigeons were attempting to hide is mentioned..

Bringing Back the Passenger Pigeon – Revive & Restore

brinny · Mar 27, 2017

Radrook said:
Here is a fascinating article concerning the probability of bringing the Passenger Pigeon back. The article also considers various possible reasons for its extinction.
For example, the laying of one solitary egg in vulnerable places coupled with dependence on vast numbers to offset the predation on those eggs. Also the invention of the telegraph which informed distant human hunters where the pigeons were attempting to hide is mentioned..

Bringing Back the Passenger Pigeon – Revive & Restore

That is most interesting. Such pretty birds.....their coloring there is very much like robins....

ever notice that you never see a "lone" robin, that there is at least one other robin close by?

Jimmy D · Mar 27, 2017

Jimmy D said:
Skinny looking thing isn't it? I'll stick with the Moa.

I posted that before I saw the colour pictures, it's not bad looking I suppose. I'd still rather see a Moa though.

Radrook · Mar 27, 2017

Jimmy D said:
Skinny looking thing isn't it? I'll stick with the Moa.

Sounds like you are thinking along devouring lines? Sadly, being naturally slim didn't keep people from capturing, fattening them, and eating them.

The flavor of the flesh of passenger pigeons varied depending on how they were prepared. In general, juveniles were thought to taste the best, followed by birds fattened in captivity and birds caught in September and October. It was common practice to fatten trapped pigeons before eating them or storing their bodies for winter.[81] Dead pigeons were commonly stored by salting or pickling the bodies; other times, only the breasts of the pigeons were kept, in which case they were typically smoked. In the early 19th century, commercial hunters began netting and shooting the birds to sell as food in city markets, and even as pig fodder. Once pigeon meat became popular, commercial hunting started on a prodigious scale.
Passenger pigeon - Wikipedia

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