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Which OT laws should I obey?

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The churches maintained the necessity of obedience of the decalogue from the beginning. Jesus and Paul both upheld them as necessary in order to gain eternal life Matt (19:17), as holy, spiritual, and good (Rom 7:12,14), as fulfilled by love (Rom 13:10). And that love is the only way to fulfill them authentically. This is to live by the Spirit, under grace, not under the law. As we come to love, as God does and as He wants us to, then we don't even need to hear the law to obey it (Rom 2:13). This comes by virtue of union with the Trinity who indwells a believer.

"...not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith." Phil 3:9
 
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Paul gave us some guidelines in Colossians 2:
Human teachings and precepts, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body are describing paganism, not OT laws.

Further, the indwelling Spirit will show us, Hebrews 10:

"my laws" refers to the Paraclete or Holy Spirit of God. It is fulfilled when the Spirit/Paraclete dwells in my conscience.
That verse is quoting Jeremiah 31:33, which says that the New Covenant involves following the Torah, so that is the easy answer to which laws we should obey.

Rom 7:

That was before. Now comes the after:
In Roman 7:22-23, Paul said that he delighted in obeying the Torah, but contrasted that with the law of sin that was holding him captive, so verses that we interpret as referring to the Torah should make sense for it to be referring to something that Paul delighted in doing. Case in point, in regard to Romans 7:5-6, it wouldn't make sense to refer those verses as referring to the Torah as though Paul delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit under death and delighted in being held captive, but rather it is the law of sin that he described as holding him captive.

Galatians 5:

Thayer's Greek Lexicon for the Greek word paraclete:

Study God's commandments daily. Grow in the Spirit. Let your conscience and the peace of the Paraclete guide you in your daily walk.
The Spirit is God, so wouldn't make sense to interpret Galatians 5:18 as referring to the Torah as though following the Spirit were opposed to following the Father, especially when in Galatians 5:19-23 all of the works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Torah while all of the fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's nature that are in accordance with it.

In Romans 7, Paul said that the Torah is good and that he wanted to do good, but contrasted that with the law of sin that was causing him not to do the good that he wanted to do, which was stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death. In. Galatians 5:16-18, Paul described the desires of the flesh as causing us not to do the good that we want to do, which matches his description of the law of sin, so when we are led by the Spirit we are under the Torah (Ezekiel 36:26-27), but are not under the law of sin.
 
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That verse is quoting Jeremiah 31:33, which says that the New Covenant involves following the Torah, so that is the easy answer to which laws we should obey.
How did you arrive at the highlighted clause?
 
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How did you arrive at the highlighted clause?
I cited Jeremiah 31:33.

Furthermore, in Deuteronomy 30:1-10, it prophesies about a time when the Israelites will return from exile, God will circumcise their hearts, and they will return to obedience to the Torah. In Ezekiel 36:26-27 and Jeremiah 31:33, they are speaking in regard to the New Covenant, the Israelites returning from exile, and describe God circumcising our hearts by means of the Spirit by saying that God will take away our hearts of stone, give us hearts of flesh, and send His Spirit to lead us in obedience to the Torah, and where He will put the Torah in our minds and write it on our hearts. In Romans 2:25-29, the way to recognize that a Gentile has a circumcised heart is by observing their obedience to the Torah, which is the same way to tell for a Jew, and circumcision of the heart is a matter of the Spirit, which is in contrast with Acts 7:51-53, where those who have uncircumcised hearts resist the Spirit and do not obey the Torah. So the New Covenant is all of the Israelites returning from exile, God circumcising our hearts, and returning to obedience to the Torah.
 
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Paul answered the question in Ro 13:8-10.
 
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Hi, we all, if we love God and our fellow man, will obey all the laws that deal with morality (how we treat our fellow man). Clare is on the spot with her answer to your question. Laws that dealt with keeping days and things were made for the Israelites and were words of the old covenant.
 
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The new law, he gives us is love one another and respect them how? The Ten Commandments except for number four.
Respect and love them as one respects and loves oneself; i.e., committed to their well being, to providing the necessities they are unable to provide for themselves, as in the example Jesus gave us of such in the good Samaritan.
 
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Acts 21:20
When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law.

Acts 9:31
Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace and was strengthened. Living in the fear of the Lord and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it increased in numbers.

throughout= Kathá holos (catolic)= universam in Latin.

The Catholic Christian Church had a Jewish essence and adhered to the Law. However, Jesus, during his ministry, also evangelized Gentiles, including the Greeks.

With the rise of the Roman Church, which evangelized the entire world (cosmos), the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15) became necessary, for the Gentiles lived outside Judea.
 
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Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to obey God, so all of God's laws are inherently moral laws. If morality were just in regard to our relationship with man and not our relationship with God, the it would not be immoral to commit idolatry. Laws were given to equip Israel to be a light and a blessing to the nations by turning them from their wickedness and teaching the nations to obey them in accordance with the promise and with spreading the Gospel.
 
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The new law, he gives us is love one another and respect them how? The Ten Commandments except for number four.
All of the 613 laws of Moses are either in regard to how to love God and our neighbor, which is why Jesus said that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them. It is contradictory for someone to think that we should obey the greatest two commandments, but not the commandments that hang on them.

Acts 15:5
Acts 15:10
Acts. 15:20
Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example, yet for some reason people think it makes sense to interpret Acts 15 as essentially ruling that Gentiles shouldn't follow Christ. Gentiles can look at what Christ taught and decided whether or not to become his follower, but Gentiles can't follow him by refusing to follow what he taught.
 
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I can't prove it. I believe that the Gentile Christians who lived within Judea and Samaria were circumcised.
1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.
 
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1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.
While Paul said that circumcision has no value and that what matters is obeying God’s commands, he also said that circumcision has much value in every way (Romans 3:1-2) and that circumcision conditionally has value if we obey the Mosaic Law (Romans 2:25), so the issue is that circumcision has no inherent value and that its value is entirely derived from whatever we obey the Mosaic Law.
 
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Are you circumcised?
 
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