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According to the Holy Bible Noah had 3 sons and these 3 sons, including their wives, plus Noah and his wife stepped on the Ark and were saved from the flood -- eight people in all.
According to the Qur'an one of Noah's sons refused to get on the Ark and drowned.
Which son drowned?
Thank you.
Perhaps Muhammad wanted to save on ink as YHWH made sure we knew their names. Maybe one reaon they need to use our Bible for their own account. Who knows........français;47565637 said:Names are not mentioned.
Perhaps Muhammad wanted to save on ink as YHWH made sure we knew their names. Maybe one reaon they need to use our Bible for their own account. Who knows........
Genesis 5:32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noach begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Genesis 6:10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Genesis 7:13 In very of day, this, Noah entered, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, sons of Noah, and Noah's woman, and three of women of sons of him with them to the ark;
Check out the ancient ChineseNoah's wife was not a believer with him so she did not join him; neither did one of Noah's sons,[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]
who was secretly a disbeliever but had pretended faith in front of Noah. Likewise most of the
people were disbeliveers and did not go on board.
The scholars hold different opinions on the number of those who were with Noah on the ship. Ibn
Abbas stated that there were 80 believers while Ka ab al Ahbar held that there were 72 believers.
Others claimed that there were 10 believers with Noah.Stories of the ProphetsWritten by Al-Imam ibn KathirTranslated by Muhammad Mustapha Gemeah, Al-Azhar
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Errors in the Bible - a sample
Noah's wife was not a believer with him so she did not join him; neither did one of Noah's sons,[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]
who was secretly a disbeliever but had pretended faith in front of Noah. Likewise most of the
people were disbeliveers and did not go on board.
The scholars hold different opinions on the number of those who were with Noah on the ship. Ibn
Abbas stated that there were 80 believers while Ka ab al Ahbar held that there were 72 believers.
Others claimed that there were 10 believers with Noah.Stories of the ProphetsWritten by Al-Imam ibn KathirTranslated by Muhammad Mustapha Gemeah, Al-Azhar
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Perhaps Muhammad wanted to save on ink as YHWH made sure we knew their names. Maybe one reaon they need to use our Bible for their own account. Who knows........
anyway we can't to be sure from the information of bible as 100% correct anymore , because of thousands of errors and contradictions in it , as umhamza explained
there is no reason to post this?? I think you talk about my second post , but it's ok for you that little lamb says Perhaps Muhammad wanted to save on ink it's ok for you to moak about prophet Muhamed peace be upon him, and also he said Maybe one reaon they need to use our Bible for their own account. Who knows........um hamza, stop the copy and pasting stuff. There is no reason to post this. No one asked you for this information. Stop trying to make tu quoque statements. This is really pathetic on your part.
Your post has nothing to do with my topic.
my first post have an answer to your question, but I think you talk about my second post which I posted to little lamb and it's a reply for his post not to yours , I think I quoted his post in mine maybe you didn't see it
Obviously someone who makes a post with this much stuff in it, is not interested in answers.
(such stuff) I think you mean the errors right? why do you think I wouldn't answer you? here Iam
hey guys why my post made you nervous, I think there are some panic here ,I don't know why did I say something forebiden ??
It is my experience that the so-called errors in the Bible are on the part of the critic. The "errors" are not the revelation of God, but are in the misinterpretations of men. All their allegations of "error" in the Bible are based on some error of their own. Their mistakes fall into the following main categories.
[FONT="]1. Assuming that the unexplained is not explainable. [/FONT]
[FONT="]2. Presuming the Bible guilty until proven innocent.[/FONT]
[FONT="]3. Confusing our fallible interpretations with God's infallible revelation.[/FONT]
[FONT="]4. Failing to understand the context of the passage.[/FONT]
[FONT="]5. Neglecting to interpret difficult passages in the light of clear ones.[/FONT]
[FONT="]6. Basing a teaching on an obscure passage.[/FONT]
[FONT="]7. Forgetting that the Bible is a human book with human characteristics.[/FONT]
Allaho Akbar, you mentioned it yourself, a human book human book, is that mean that it was writen and composed by men? I wonder I thought you believe that the Bible is your God words not human book.
[FONT="]8. Assuming that a partial report is a false report.[/FONT]
[FONT="]9. Demanding that NT citations of the OT always be exact quotations.[/FONT]
[FONT="]10. Assuming that divergent accounts are false ones.[/FONT]
[FONT="]11. Presuming that the Bible approves of all it records.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12. Forgetting that the Bible uses non-technical, everyday language.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13. Assuming that round numbers are false.[/FONT]
[FONT="]14. Neglecting to note that the bible uses different literary devices.[/FONT]
[FONT="]15. Forgetting that only the original text, not every copy of Scripture, is without error.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16. Confusing general statements with universal ones.[/FONT]
[FONT="]17. Forgetting that later revelation supersedes previous revelation.[/FONT]
One example from your list:
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]1. Does God incite David to conduct the census of his people (2 Samuel 24:1), or does Satan (1 Chronicles 21:1)?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica](Category: misunderstood how God works in history)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]This seems an apparent discrepancy unless of course both statements are true. It was towards the end of David's reign, and David was looking back over his brilliant conquests, which had brought the Canaanite, Syrian, and Phoenician kingdoms into a state of vassalage and dependency on Israel. He had an attitude of pride and self-admiration for his achievements, and was thinking more in terms of armaments and troops than in terms of the mercies of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]The Lord therefore decided that it was time that David be brought to his knees, where he would once again be cast back onto the mercy of God. So he let him go ahead with his census, in order to find out just how much good it would do him, as the only thing this census would accomplish would be to inflate the national ego (intimated in Joab's warning against carrying out the census in 1 Chronicles 21:3). As soon as the numbering was completed, God intended to chasten the nation with a disastrous plague which would bring about an enormous loss of life (in fact the lives of 70,000 Israelites according to 2 Samuel 24:15).[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]What about Satan? Why would he get himself involved in this affair (according to 1 Chronicles 21:1) if God had already prompted David to commit the folly he had in mind? It seems his reasons were entirely malicious, knowing that a census would displease the Lord (1 Chronicles 21:7-8), and so he also incited David to carry it through.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Yet this is nothing new, for there are a number of other occurrences in the Bible where both the Lord and Satan were involved in soul-searching testings and trials:[/FONT]
thanx anaway
- [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]In the book of Job, chapters one and two we find a challenge to Satan from God allowing Satan to bring upon Job his calamities. God's purpose was to purify Job's faith, and to strengthen his character by means of discipline through adversity, whereas Satan's purpose was purely malicious, wishing Job as much harm as possible so that he would recant his faith in his God.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Similarly both God and Satan are involved in the sufferings of persecuted Christians according to 1 Peter 4:19 and 5:8. God's purpose is to strengthen their faith and to enable them to share in the sufferings of Christ in this life, that they may rejoice with Him in the glories of heaven to come (1 Peter 4:13-14), whereas Satan's purpose is to 'devour' them (1 Peter 5:8), or rather to draw them into self-pity and bitterness, and down to his level.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Both God and Satan allowed Jesus the three temptations during his ministry on earth. God's purpose for these temptations was for him to triumph completely over the very tempter who had lured the first Adam to his fall, whereas Satan's purpose was to deflect the saviour from his messianic mission.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]In the case of Peter's three denials of Jesus in the court of the high priest, it was Jesus himself who points out the purposes of both parties involvement when he says in Luke 22:31-32, "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you as wheat. But I have prayed for you Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers."[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]And finally the crucifixion itself bears out yet another example where both God and Satan are involved. Satan exposed his purpose when he had the heart of Judas filled with treachery and hate (John 13:27), causing him to betray Jesus. The Lord's reasoning behind the crucifixion, however, was that Jesus, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world should give his life as a ransom for many, so that once again sinful man could relish in the relationship lost at the very beginning, in the garden of Eden, and thereby enter into a relationship which is now eternal.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Thus we have five other examples where both the Lord and Satan were involved together though with entirely different motives. Satan's motive in all these examples, including the census by David was driven by malicious intent, while the Lord in all these cases showed an entirely different motive. His was a benevolent motive with a view to eventual victory, while simultaneously increasing the usefulness of the person tested. In every case Satan's success was limited and transient; while in the end God's purpose was well served furthering His cause substantially.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica](Archer 1982:186-188)[/FONT]
this one realy made me laugh, goerge comon you didn't even read the book, anayway I will tell you the book first give some information then presents the verses of the Quraan which include the story then prophet peace be upon him words about that the he the writer explain the story read the book it is very interesting and have Quraanic verses that we sure that it's trueMuslim source in order to cover up the mistake in the Qur'an.
strange you say thisNot only has this got nothing to do with the OP it shows that you can't help yourself cutting and pasting what other people think.what do you mean by that ? in my first post I have brought the story from a famous islamic bookwhich contains prophets story
my second post which I think you mean, it is n't my thoughts anayway I have nothing to do with the bible, I have my own believes about it, liitle lamb wants us to take information from the bible, that's it
And you were going so well when you actually answered him in the post prior.
Your post has nothing to do with my topic.
my first post have an answer to your question, but I think you talk about my second post which I posted to little lamb and it's a reply for his post not to yours , I think I quoted his post in mine maybe you didn't see it
Obviously someone who makes a post with this much stuff in it, is not interested in answers.
(such stuff) I think you mean the errors right? why do you think I wouldn't answer you? here Iam
hey guys why my post made you nervous, I think there are some panic here ,I don't know why did I say something forebiden ??
The point is what some think are "errors" in the Bible has no place in this thread.
It looks to me like you are trying to detail my topic in order to try to cover up an error in the Qur'an. Your response shows you are very nervous and have panicked.[FONT="][/FONT]
I like to address one subject at a time as I am doing with Noah and the son who allegedly drowned. I have no intention of posting the long list of what are considered errors in the Qur'an in one thread.
There is no nervousness on my part and certainly no panic. I have spent years answering allegations from Muslims against Christianity and God's Holy Bible.
this one realy made me laugh, goerge comon you didn't even read the book, anayway I will tell you the book first give some information then presents the verses of the Quraan which include the story then prophet peace be upon him words about that the he the writer explain the story read the book it is very interesting and have Quraanic verses that we sure that it's true
thanx
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