Which New Testament event fulfills which feast

[Roman57]

The common thinking is that Jesus resurrection fulfills Passover, while End Times fulfill Yom Kippur. I propose it is the other way around. I think Jesus resurrection fulfills Yom Kippur because it serves the same purpose: atoning for sins. On the other hand, End Times will fulfill Passover, because the plagues that will befall the kingdom of antichrist in the Book of Revelation match the plagues that befall Egypt (including darkness, wild beasts and so forth). The only difference is that "death of the first born" occurred in Egypt but wasn't mentioned in Revelation. All the rest are the same.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

The common thinking is that Jesus resurrection fulfills Passover, while End Times fulfill Yom Kippur. I propose it is the other way around. I think Jesus resurrection fulfills Yom Kippur because it serves the same purpose: atoning for sins. On the other hand, End Times will fulfill Passover, because the plagues that will befall the kingdom of antichrist in the Book of Revelation match the plagues that befall Egypt (including darkness, wild beasts and so forth). The only difference is that "death of the first born" occurred in Egypt but wasn't mentioned in Revelation. All the rest are the same.

Yom Kippur is a 2 part event, Sacrifice then Removal. Removal has not happened yet.

 

[Roman57]

Yom Kippur is a 2 part event, Sacrifice then Removal. Removal has not happened yet.

Your username says you are Adventist. Adventists don't believe in rapture. What do you mean by removal then?

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Your username says you are Adventist. Adventists don't believe in rapture. What do you mean by removal then?

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sin he is faith and Just to forgive us of our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness"

1. the forgiveness for sin has been accomplished.
2. The removal of sin has not. not all people who will be saved have been born. sins have been for given, not all sin have been confessed.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Your username says you are Adventist. Adventists don't believe in rapture. What do you mean by removal then?

BTW i do believe in the rapture, That is 1 reason i am a heretic

 

[Roman57]

BTW i do believe in the rapture, That is 1 reason i am a heretic

That is quite interesting. Can you describe other ways in which your belief system contradict mainstream Adventism? And is it just you, or are there some small offshots of Adventism that believe similarly to you>

 

[Adventist Dissident]

That is quite interesting. Can you describe other ways in which your belief system contradict mainstream Adventism? And is it just you, or are there some small offshots of Adventism that believe similarly to you>

1. I believe the Sabbath is the sign of Christ's rule in Jerusalem for 1000 years.
2. I believe the Lord's Day represents the New Jerusalem in heaven and Christ's absolute rule when the New Jerusalem comes from heaven
3. I believe we are Body, Soul & Spirit
4. I believe we the righteous go to heaven upon death
5. I believe we the wicked go down to the chambers of darkness and sleep.
6. I believe the saints will be raptured out of this world before the tribulation.
7. I believe the tribulation is for the wicked and unbelieving.
8. I believe the Lord's Day was established by Christ as a memorial to his resurrection and fulfillment of the Festivals. It first was an in-home service, then a time of public worship then the distinguishing mark between Jew and Christian, then the Sign of Loyalty to the empire.
9. I believe that the Church-State alliance is the corruption of the Church. The kingdom of God is not of this world or else my followers would fight.
10 . I believe that 666 represents this alliance. As first modeled by Solomon in 1 Kings 10 and 2nd Chronicles 9.
11. That believer that supports this Alliance will Go through the tribulation, but come out victorious, as symbolized by Adonikim in Ezra 2.

 

[Roman57]

8. I believe the Lord's Day was established by Christ as a memorial to his resurrection and fulfillment of the Festivals. It first was an in-home service, then a time of public worship then the distinguishing mark between Jew and Christian, then the Sign of Loyalty to the empire.

So does it mean you believe in keeping both Saturday AND Sunday?

By the way, I had this question to more traditional Adventists. The belief that Sunday is the mark of the beast doesn't make sense because there is an easy way around it: simply keep both Saturday AND Sunday. I mean, going to church on Sunday isn't a sin, its a sin to skip Saturday. So why not just keep both days?

In any case, its still a mystery to me why none of the Sabbaterians that I know keep both days. Although I heard that Ethiopian Orthodox church do, but I never had a chance to visit one to check.

So, if you do believe in keeping both days, what do you believe to be the mark of the beast? What you said in point 10 is incomplete because you didn't say what would determine whether a given individual has that mark or not.

And are you the only person who holds the beliefs as you described, or are you a part of small group of people that share your beliefs?

 

[Adventist Dissident]

So does it mean you believe in keeping both Saturday AND Sunday?

I am trying to find a church right now but I would be open to doing Evangelism on Sunday morning, it seems to be the most logical choice to do it.

By the way, I had this question to more traditional Adventists. The belief that Sunday is the mark of the beast doesn't make sense because there is an easy way around it: simply keep both Saturday AND Sunday. I mean, going to church on Sunday isn't a sin, its a sin to skip Saturday. So why not just keep both days?

That is right,

the mark of Beast is about corruption and sin and the church going along with it, Sinning in the name of the Lord, Then compelling others to Sin.

The church is allied to the LGBTQ+ issues of the Democrats and to the Economic Greed issues of Republicans. Both are sins. The Chruch being too closely associated with a political party is a bad thing.

In any case, its still a mystery to me why none of the Sabbaterians that I know keep both days. Although I heard that Ethiopian Orthodox church do, but I never had a chance to visit one to check.

yes they do. Because they think Sunday is a pagan day

So, if you do believe in keeping both days, what do you believe to be the mark of the beast? What you said in point 10 is incomplete because you didn't say what would determine whether a given individual has that mark or not.

it is the political forcing of Sin on people endorsed by the Church + State. It is specifically about forcing religion on people, See Goliath and Nebuchadnezzar and the fiery furnace

And are you the only person who holds the beliefs as you described, or are you a part of small group of people that share your beliefs?

Probably, others are questioning, I want to start a website to have a forum to discuss. but I have been distracted by the Daneil 8 & 9 those issues were resolved on July 3 2024.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Sunday is the Mark of the Beast because it represents the absolute rule of God in heaven and Earth after the 1000 years, to give humans that power in the Name of Christ is dangerous. No one can handle that power. Rev 5 makes it clear that no one but Christ can handle that type of power because only he is good all the time, Just and has unlimited power.

 

[Roman57]

Sunday is the Mark of the Beast because it represents the absolute rule of God in heaven and after the 1000 years, to give humans that power in the Name of Christ is dangerous. No one can handle that power. Rev 5 makes it clear that no one but Christ can handle that type of power because only he is good all the time, Just and has unlimited power.

Are you saying a human can't be trusted to lead Sunday service?

 

[Roman57]

Probably, others are questioning, I want to start a website to have a forum to discuss. but I have been distracted by the Daneil 8 & 9 those issues were resolved on July 3 2024.

How was it resolved on July 3 2024? And can you send me tge website when you start it?

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Are you saying a human can't be trusted to lead Sunday service?

no, it represents a government alliance, thing the medieval church or the orthodox church in Russian before communism

 

[Adventist Dissident]

How was it resolved on July 3 2024? And can you send me tge website when you start it?

I found the solution to the Investigative Judgment problem. I found the solution to Daniel 8:14

 

[Adventist Dissident]

How was it resolved on July 3 2024? And can you send me tge website when you start it?

if I get it up.

 

[Roman57]

no, it represents a government alliance, thing the medieval church or the orthodox church in Russian before communism

But the mark of the beast should be linked to a choice an individual makes, since it japordizes the salvation of an individual who received it

 

[Roman57]

I found the solution to the Investigative Judgment problem. I found the solution to Daniel 8:14

Please describe the solution you found

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Please describe the solution you found

I will at some point. I am writing it up right now. The simple answer is that it is about the Sabbath.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

But the mark of the beast should be linked to a choice an individual makes, since it japordizes the salvation of an individual who received it

yes, joining the corrupt church-state alliance and its persecution of dissenters does affect salvation. To be part of the system you have to disobey God and misrepresent Him and persecute anyone who disagrees.

 

[Soyeong]

The common thinking is that Jesus resurrection fulfills Passover, while End Times fulfill Yom Kippur. I propose it is the other way around. I think Jesus resurrection fulfills Yom Kippur because it serves the same purpose: atoning for sins. On the other hand, End Times will fulfill Passover, because the plagues that will befall the kingdom of antichrist in the Book of Revelation match the plagues that befall Egypt (including darkness, wild beasts and so forth). The only difference is that "death of the first born" occurred in Egypt but wasn't mentioned in Revelation. All the rest are the same.

In Colossians 2:17, it says that God's feasts are foreshadows of what is to come and this was written after the resurrection.