Which Gospel?

[RGL1]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]According to some there is more than one gospel (good news). One from Jesus and one from Paul.[/FONT]
According to the mult-gospel view, which gospel (good news) is Paul refering to in the verse below?
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Ga 3:8[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU."[/FONT]

 

[Kimberlyann]

Good question. I wonder if you will get an answer?

 

[Apollos1]

RGL1 -

Oh you trouble-maker ! You ask questions that will make a dispy think. They will not tolerate such.

You will be ignored and considered anathema!

But I think...

Paul must has been confused while writing Galatians 3:8 ... OR

An unknown "dispensation" took place during the actual physical writing of that specific verse.

Therefore unless you scream "Allee allee in-comefree" and wear a little flat topped red hat made of felt (woven from camel hair)
that has a little gold tassel dangling from it on Tuesdays only... then you are exempt (or do I mean required) to
observe this unknown "dispensation.... I think.

That it... unless you agree. Or do you?

But then, you have Kimbie to back you up - OR

eighteen, which ever comes first....

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU."

This verse shows that Paul linked together the Abrahamic covenant with specific new covenant blessings. That is, the new covenant provides the details for this specific promise of "blessing the nations" in the Abrahamic covenant.

These new covenant blessings - according to Paul in the context - are:
1) reception of the Holy Spirit (Gal 3:2)
2) the gift of righteousness (Gal 3:21-22)

Notice that these new covenant blessings are exactly the same as given to Cornelius, a gentile, in Acts 10-11. In Acts 11:17-18 Peter and the Jews said:
17 Therefore if God gave them the same gift as he also gave us after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to hinder God?" 18 When they heard this, they ceased their objections and praised God, saying, "So then, God has granted the repentance that leads to life even to the Gentiles."

Notice that the reference is not "Gentile" singular, but "Gentiles" plural - its not just Cornelius, but all believing Gentiles who have access to the Holy Spirit and the gift of righteousness.

Also notice that Peter made reference to the Holy Spirit as the same gift which God had given the Jews - in particular the gift when descending upon them in Acts 2. Also the Jews, when replying to Peter, said Gentiles also have repentance that leads to life - that is, they have the gift of righteousness, just as the Jews received it.

There is a sharing of these same gifts among both Jews and Gentiles that cannot be denied.


Lamorak Des Galis

 

[eph3Nine]

Pauls gospel, the gospel of the Grace of God is the ONLY gospel that saves today. The death, burial and resurrection of Christ as sufficient to RECONCILE us all to God....no additions, no subtractions...no water, no obedience, no NOTHING but believing that what HE did was indeed sufficient.

 

[biblebeliever123]

Pauls gospel, the gospel of the Grace of God is the ONLY gospel that saves today. The death, burial and resurrection of Christ as sufficient to RECONCILE us all to God....no additions, no subtractions...no water, no obedience, no NOTHING but believing that what HE did was indeed sufficient.

1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

1 Corinthians 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Romans 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

Pauls gospel, the gospel of the Grace of God is the ONLY gospel that saves today. The death, burial and resurrection of Christ as sufficient to RECONCILE us all to God....no additions, no subtractions...no water, no obedience, no NOTHING but believing that what HE did was indeed sufficient.

If you believe that others in this thread "add" to the gospel, then you are misrepresenting them.

Christians believe salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

I have yet to see any statement from you acknowledging that Christians outside a Mid-Acts perspective are saved.


Lamorak Des Galis

 

[eph3Nine]

1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

1 Corinthians 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Romans 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Amen....THIS is the gospel of OUR salvation and neitherPeter and the boys nor Christ on earth preached it. They preached the law of Moses.

 

[RGL1]

If you believe that others in this thread "add" to the gospel, then you are misrepresenting them.

Christians believe salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

I have yet to see any statement from you acknowledging that Christians outside a Mid-Acts perspective are saved.


Lamorak Des Galis

No I didn't say add. I said multi-gospel. Jesus & Paul.
What exactly is a mid-acts perspective?

 

[RGL1]

Amen....THIS is the gospel of OUR salvation and neitherPeter and the boys nor Christ on earth preached it. They preached the law of Moses.

No, they preached faith & repentance as Paul did.

 

[Kimberlyann]

Amen....THIS is the gospel of OUR salvation and neitherPeter and the boys nor Christ on earth preached it. They preached the law of Moses.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]The King James Version [/FONT]

Peter 1:10-12
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
1Pe 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; [FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Peter 4 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]4:10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Peter 5 [FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5:12 By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[LamorakDesGalis]

What exactly is a mid-acts perspective?

Its a minority dispensationalist view that holds the church began in Acts 9-13. eph3Nine and many others who post in this forum are Mid-Acts dispensationalists.

 

[eph3Nine]

Do a search on the word GOSPEL. There are many "gospels" listed in scripture. It simply means GOOD NEWS, and God didnt give it ALL at once.

 

[RGL1]

Do a search on the word GOSPEL. There are many "gospels" listed in scripture. It simply means GOOD NEWS, and God didnt give it ALL at once.

Right. He didn't give it (not them) all at once, He gave it (the gospel, not gospels) all through the scriptures. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[biblebeliever123]

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to MY gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to MY gospel.

2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to MY gospel:

1 Corinthians 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a DISPENSATION OF THE GOSPEL is COMMITTED unto me.

1 Timothy 1:11 According to the GLORIOUS GOSPEL of the blessed God, which was COMMITTED to MY TRUST.

 

[eph3Nine]

Bible believer said:

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to MY gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began.
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Pauls gospel is the ONLY gospel given with the promise of Gods ESTABLISHING us according to the truths contained IN IT. Its also clear from this verse that this message wasnt KNOWN in times PAST, but revealed specifically TO Paul and signifies a CHANGE.

Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to MY gospel.

Here he goes making the POINT that his gospel is NOT the same as Peters. If it was, why would he make the distinction (and hes the ONLY one who does) by calling it MY gospel?

This verse also tells us that God WILL judge the secrets of ALL men ACCORDING TO this gospel given to Paul. Wouldnt it behoove us to find out what this gospel IS??????

2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to MY gospel:

1 Corinthians 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a DISPENSATION OF THE GOSPEL is COMMITTED unto me.

Gee, theres the phrase MY GOSPEL again. How many times does God have to put something in the Word to show its significance is MAJOR????

This verse also tells us that THIS GOSPEL< as opposed to other gospels in times past...was committed unto Paul...by whom? God Himself. Fight the gospel of Paul and you are fighting none other than God Himself.

1 Timothy 1:11 According to the GLORIOUS GOSPEL of the blessed God, which was COMMITTED to MY TRUST.

This phrase, amongst others, "glorious gospel of the blessed God", is used ONLY by Paul, and refers to the MYSTERY revealed. God committed it to Paul to give to we, the church, which is His Body. NOT to the church in the wilderness, or the church at Pentecost, which was a continuation of the church already in existance/ie;the KINGDOM church made up of believing JEWS/law of Moses.

Gee, I kinda get the idea that Paul is trying to tell us something here. Whaddaya think?

 

[RGL1]

Bible believer said:

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to MY gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began.
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Pauls gospel is the ONLY gospel given with the promise of Gods ESTABLISHING us according to the truths contained IN IT. Its also clear from this verse that this message wasnt KNOWN in times PAST, but revealed specifically TO Paul and signifies a CHANGE.





Here he goes making the POINT that his gospel is NOT the same as Peters. If it was, why would he make the distinction (and hes the ONLY one who does) by calling it MY gospel?

This verse also tells us that God WILL judge the secrets of ALL men ACCORDING TO this gospel given to Paul. Wouldnt it behoove us to find out what this gospel IS??????



Gee, theres the phrase MY GOSPEL again. How many times does God have to put something in the Word to show its significance is MAJOR????

This verse also tells us that THIS GOSPEL< as opposed to other gospels in times past...was committed unto Paul...by whom? God Himself. Fight the gospel of Paul and you are fighting none other than God Himself.



This phrase, amongst others, "glorious gospel of the blessed God", is used ONLY by Paul, and refers to the MYSTERY revealed. God committed it to Paul to give to we, the church, which is His Body. NOT to the church in the wilderness, or the church at Pentecost, which was a continuation of the church already in existance/ie;the KINGDOM church made up of believing JEWS/law of Moses.

Gee, I kinda get the idea that Paul is trying to tell us something here. Whaddaya think?

I don't think Paul was putting the emphasis on "my". It's not the point he was making nor the point of the text. Try looking for the big picture.

 

[eph3Nine]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]The King James Version [/FONT]

Peter 1:10-12
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
1Pe 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; [FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Peter 4 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]4:10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Peter 5 [FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5:12 By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand.[/FONT][/FONT]
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Peter did preach the grace of God. No one is arguing that at all. What he didnt preach is the GOSPEL of the Grace of God...as that was reserved FOR Paul and for we who are members of His BODY. Peter knew nothing of the body of Christ doctrine OR concept...as it was still a MYSTERY hid in God.

 

[RGL1]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]The King James Version [/FONT]

Peter 1:10-12
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
1Pe 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; [FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Peter 4 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]4:10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Peter 5 [FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5:12 By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand.[/FONT][/FONT]
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Kim,
Remember, 1Co 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

 

[Kimberlyann]

1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

1 Corinthians 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Romans 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Did anyone read the rest of 1 Corinthains 15? Notice verse 10 and 11.

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

(Just what is Paul saying here? Sounds like Paul and the Apostles are preaching the same message.)