Which Experiment disproved the Flood?

[CTD]

The fact there are multiple layers, different rock types, volcanism, pillow lavas, prove that so much has happened in the geologiccal past, that in cannot be attributed to a 40 day flood. IT DOES NOT WORK!

40 day flood? You haven't even bothered to consult scripture! You don't even care enough to find out what it is you dispute. Your participation DOES NOT WORK!

 

[Phileas]

OEC geology from the 1800's, right? At least so far as 'flood evidence' is concerned... I think recent YEC geology's more advanced and reliable. YEC's can even SEE evidence, unlike the researchers evolutionism's been relying upon for its conclusion.

Could you use the reliable YEC geology model to help me explain a small bit of stratigraphy here, perhaps even the structural formations.

Here's an outline of the stratigraphy

and a labelled example of the exposures found in the area. If you need any more images just shout, it's a pretty well studied area and I look forward to reading a new revolutionary angle on it.

40 day flood? You haven't even bothered to consult scripture! You don't even care enough to find out what it is you dispute. Your participation DOES NOT WORK!

You're actually right here. Genesis 7 and 8 state the flood waters rose for 40 days, but did not recede until 150 days after the flood began.

 

[CTD]

You're actually right here.

Thanks. Not inclined to start playing answerman just now, but I'll think on it.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you have a lot invested in your faith. Would it be fair to say that the thought of losing your faith and having your sins remain unabsolved is one that frightens you?

Nope -- I laugh at that thought.

Ever heard of Eternal Security? or OSAS?

 

[AV1611VET]

The same chalk that appears in the USA and Canada?

Yes, the same chalk that appears in the USA and Canada.

Remember, we're dealing with a planet with only one giant continent on it, which will later be broken up.

Chalk dioes not only occur in the white cliffs of Dover (I doubt you have ever been there) and debunks your theory that God shunted all those marine creatures in one place!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalk

First of all, I don't need to be there, and I have a challenge thread about the Mariana Trench that explains why, if you'd like to see it.

Second of all, whether God swept these things up into one, two, three or even a thousand piles; the point is that God swept them up and stockpiled them in a moment of time.

 

[AV1611VET]

This has to be a classic!

Try miracle and [hopefully] you'll understand better.

 

[Orogeny]

This thread is pretty LULWORTHy.

 

[AV1611VET]

House Divided

They call that "peer review" and submit it as one of their strong points within the scientific method.

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh, and how many Christian denominations are there again?

How many different scientific disciplines are there?

 

[Mikecpking]

Yes, the same chalk that appears in the USA and Canada.

Remember, we're dealing with a planet with only one giant continent on it, which will later be broken up.

First of all, I don't need to be there, and I have a challenge thread about the Mariana Trench that explains why, if you'd like to see it.

Second of all, whether God swept these things up into one, two, three or even a thousand piles; the point is that God swept them up and stockpiled them in a moment of time.

Pamgea split up well before the cretaceous. If you have ever heard of the giant's causeway in Northern Ireland is clear evidence for that AFTER the chalk was laid down. This process is still going on as the North American plate and Europe are moving apart at the rate of 1 to 2" per year. 65 million years ago and earler, these continents were much closer together is why chalk is found in Kansas to Denmark. Chalk was not deposited in 'piles', they were laid down in layers! If they were laid down in a moment in time, then there would be no layering.

 

[Insane_Duck]

They call that "peer review" and submit it as one of their strong points within the scientific method.

The difference is that science debates things to discover the truth of them. Most established and well documented things are not contested, and are the ones upheld officially by the scientific community. More importantly, science's different branches agree, they just specialize. With Christianity you have tens of thousands of different groups claiming to have the indelible word of God based on their own personal interpretation...

 

[AV1611VET]

How scientific disciplines are there that don't have conflicting practices and worldviews?

None of them?

(the answer is all of them)

Ever heard of peer review?

If there are no conflicting worldviews, then I take it we have five moons?

 

[Insane_Duck]

If there are no conflicting worldviews, then I take it we have five moons?

Not this again.

Ever heard of peer review?

If there are no conflicting worldviews, then I take it we have five moons?

Individual scientists disagree about things that haven't been factually established to the point where there is no contest. Scientists form hypothesis' to fit facts, but until more evidence is acquired, that's often where it stays.

 

[AV1611VET]

Pamgea split up well before the cretaceous.

Here we go.

If you have ever heard of the giant's causeway in Northern Ireland is clear evidence for that AFTER the chalk was laid down.

If you have ever heard of the giants (Nephilim) in Pamgea [sic] is clear doctrine for that BEFORE the Flood waters were laid down.

This process is still going on as the North American plate and Europe are moving apart at the rate of 1 to 2" per year.

Wow -- North America and Europe are moving apart -- should that surprise me?

The Bible says Hell is enlarging -- and if Hell is in the center of the earth, then why wouldn't North America and Europe be moving apart?

65 million years ago and earler, these continents were much closer together is why chalk is found in Kansas to Denmark.

And like I say, you guys have to play loose with time -- assigning as much time as needed to make your paradigms stick.

The Bible only gives us 6015 years with which to work, and you can't fit your evolutionary paradigms within that timescale.

Chalk was not deposited in 'piles', they were laid down in layers!

Not in Dover, they weren't.

If they were laid down in a moment in time, then there would be no layering.

Fair enough -- I can adjust my [Boolean] beliefs to conform to your paradigms (to a point) without doing disservice to the Bible.

If what you say is correct, then God simply took some of the coccoliths on the earth and stockpiled them here and there.

Keep moving the goalposts, I'll keep following -- (to a point).

 

[AV1611VET]

With Christianity you have tens of thousands of different groups claiming to have the indelible word of God based on their own personal interpretation...

You might want to recheck those figures.

There's a very powerful filter we use that cuts that figure down to size, called Verbal Plenary Inspiration.

How many of these 'tens of thousands' of different groups would admit to VPI?

As my pastor says, even independent fundamental Baptist churches are turning away from the authority of the Bible.

 

[Mikecpking]

Here we go.

If you have ever heard of the giants (Nephilim) in Pamgea [sic] is clear doctrine for that BEFORE the Flood waters were laid down.

Pangea is not mentioned in scripture and who the Nephilim are is a matter of speculation and conjecture.

Wow -- North America and Europe are moving apart -- should that surprise me?

The Bible says Hell is enlarging -- and if Hell is in the center of the earth, then why wouldn't North America and Europe be moving apart?

Sheol and hades is the grave. "Hell" is not biblical, because how does 'hell' get thrown into the lake of fire if it is the cntre of the earth? (Rev 20).

And like I say, you guys have to play loose with time -- assigning as much time as needed to make your paradigms stick.

The Bible only gives us 6015 years with which to work, and you can't fit your evolutionary paradigms within that timescale.

Not in Dover, they weren't.

Have a look at this picture and you will see the layers. This are the little lines lying horizontally on the white rock.

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Fair enough -- I can adjust my [Boolean] beliefs to conform to your paradigms (to a point) without doing disservice to the Bible.

If what you say is correct, then God simply took some of the coccoliths on the earth and stockpiled them here and there.

Keep moving the goalposts, I'll keep following -- (to a point).

No, I just proved you wrong and I bet you never even been to Dover!

 

[CTD]

They call that "peer review" and submit it as one of their strong points within the scientific method.

Yes, ever wonder how strong it really is? I mean as practiced, of course.

 

[AirPo]

Yes, ever wonder how strong it really is? I mean as practiced, of course.

What experience do you have with how it's practiced?

 

[CTD]

The difference is that science debates things to discover the truth of them. Most established and well documented things are not contested, and are the ones upheld officially by the scientific community.

I prefer investigation. The lamestream's version of ''science''? Well, AV1611VET has made a fine suggestion they would do well to follow. Only the systematic pursuit of truth has merit.

 

[Orogeny]

If they were laid down in a moment in time, then there would be no layering.

To be fair, rapid deposition under upper flow regime conditions (which is what one might expect were the waters of the flood receding rapidly) can produce layering.

To be even more fair, coccoliths are small enough (and disk-shaped enough) to have incredibly slow settling rates, even in quite calm water.

To be exceedingly fair, obviously Goddidit.