Which Experiment disproved the Flood?

[AV1611VET]

I believe it is the lack of evidence of a global flood in the geological records that puts a spanner in the works.

Keep looking.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't remember any mention of an experiment, but I do know that there is no evidence for such an event.

Keep looking.

 

[Jade Margery]

Well hello there Mr. OP! I understand if you didn't see it at first, but I have a lovely proof against the flood over in this post. Even framed as an experiment for your pleasure. The information regarding ancient cultures was gleaned through my minor in anthropology, a subject that has always fascinated me. If you want further explanation or support (as I'm sure you will, likely unable to accept the facts as presented) I will be happy to provide some books that you could check out. Unfortunately I won't be able to summarize three years of classes through forum posts, so unless you'd care to read up on the subject or take such classes yourself you'll have to take my word for it.

Bluffing doesn't count. That should be self-evident. Your faux reasoning could stand some work as well.

I take it that means you would like those books then? I'm afraid you'll have to wait about five or six hours--I have an appointment this morning, haven't got the time really to construct a nice, long, reasonable post with references. But worry not, it shall be along shortly! (By the way, that was a lovely subtle implication that I'm a liar. Way to counter an argument!)

In the meantime though, perhaps you could demonstrate how my reasoning is 'faux'? Because it seems pretty simple to me. Where, exactly, have I gone wrong here:

Hypothesis: A flood wiped out all of mankind except one family.

Archaeological proof necessary: Evidence that cultures around the world came to a simultaneous halt when all of their members were killed, followed by a gap in any kind of activity, followed by the introduction of a totally new culture as Noah's descendants eventually reached these parts of the world again.

Archaeological proof found: Looking at Central Asia, Western Europe, South America, The Middle East and India (for a start) we see no breaks in the archaeological record. Cultures progress more or less smoothly and change gradually, except in cases of conquest, over at least 13,000 years (in the Americas. In other places, they continue for as long as 20,000 years. Before this time we do not even find evidence that people had the tools to build large boats, let alone that they did so.)

Conclusion: The hypothesis is false.

I'd appreciate a detailed explanation of the flaws in my reasoning, not a dismissive one-liner, if you are capable of that level of thinking. Thanks!

 

[CTD]

Good luck with this one, bro --

When I came here five years ago, they were claiming that there was no evidence for a global flood, so I told them to 'keep looking'.

After that, they switched their tactic from saying 'there is no evidence of a global flood', to saying 'evidence shows there was no global flood'.

Thanks.

Even if an experiment'd been done, I don't think we'd be seeing it.

Funny how quickly the hostility started up, too. One who was uncertain might wait a spell, and see if something turns up. No way that was happening!

 

[Psudopod]

When I came here five years ago, they were claiming that there was no evidence for a global flood, so I told them to 'keep looking'.

After that, they switched their tactic from saying 'there is no evidence of a global flood', to saying 'evidence shows there was no global flood'.

Both things are still true. There is no evidence for a global flood, and there is evidence that shows there was no global flood, such as the continuation of human culture, the lack of a genetic bottleneck in all species at the same time, and the presence of preserved features in the geology of the earth that would have been destroyed if a flood happened.

 

[Mikecpking]

Keep looking.

What evidence do you expect us to find?

 

[CTD]

I'd appreciate a detailed explanation of the flaws in my reasoning, not a dismissive one-liner, if you are capable of that level of thinking. Thanks!

I doubt your level of appreciation corresponds with what a gentleman would consider commensurate.

"Archaeological proof" - what am I supposed to do? Link to 15 dictionaries, and then what? There is no proof to even discuss in the first place. I waste time when I choose to waste time - not when you make ridiculous claims and nag. Not even when you enlist help. My time is not rightfully yours. That I can prove! I shall be doing so by example - just watch.

 

[CTD]

What evidence do you expect us to find?

I suspect his expectation differs little from anyone else's!

 

[CTD]

Keep looking.

Might 'start looking' be a slightly more accurate instruction?

 

[Psudopod]

"Archaeological proof" - what am I supposed to do? Link to 15 dictionaries, and then what?

Why on earth would you want to link to a dictionary? What you should be showing is showing her where she's incorrect. Show the evidence that demonstrates these cultures have a disconinuation around 4000 years ago when the flood happened.

 

[CTD]

Keep looking.

Verboten! You may not have seen the posts, but basically in the 1800's ''Creationists'' believing in cockeyed onion coat ideas, and an ''old earth'' failed to find the remains they expected of the last flood, and even had to abandon onion coat. So that proves there's no need to ever actually investigate any more. The question's settled forever!

 

[Mikecpking]

I suspect his expectation differs little from anyone else's!

CTD,
You have failed to answer any question I pose.

I ask again, if there is evidence for a global flood, then what do you expect to see?

I have studied geology in the field and I know what I am looking at and I have never seen evidence for a global flood. As for experiments, one can do this very easily:
If you take a washing up bowl , fill it with ungraded sand and water. Swirl it round and the larger particles will settle first at the bottom to be followed by the finer particles in that order. As the geological sequence show many differing rocks, grain sizes and uplift; erosion, it cannot be attributed to a single event and the experiment I described disproves the notion of a single global flood event.

 

[USincognito]

Funny how quickly the hostility started up,...

No, for those of us familiar with your MO on TWeb, Evolutionfairytale, etc., how quickly your hostility started up wasn't a surprise.

 

[AV1611VET]

Funny how quickly the hostility started up, too.

Let me give you a hint why:

 

[CTD]

Verboten! You may not have seen the posts, but basically in the 1800's ''Creationists'' believing in cockeyed onion coat ideas, and an ''old earth'' failed to find the remains they expected of the last flood, and even had to abandon onion coat. So that proves there's no need to ever actually investigate any more. The question's settled forever!

If you're so concerned why don't you check? we don't need to check because we already know the flood is nothing but a pile of creationist poo.

I'm fully aware you think you know.

I'm also amused. You assume I haven't checked, and you flame me for asking to see the experiment which should exist if knowledge is obtained by the means the vast majority of Evolanders insist it always must be.

The objective in flaming is usually to make the flamee look worse then the flamer. Either someone has abnormal goals, or someone's not very skilled.

 

[Phileas]

So you are putting words in my mouth, and so soon? Didn't you just get done saying something about bearing false witness? I better review and see.

He's not putting words in your mouth. The question you pose in the opening post has been answered in post 8, 12, 17, 19, 20, 38, 45, 49, 62, 82, 90, 92, 101, 133, 169 (she was even kind enough to present her argument on your narrow terms), and 176. All of these posts were either ignored, declared spam, propaganda or responded to with pithy one line dismissal. Quite clearly no response that has been given has satisfied. They have then tried to ask questions to open up a discussion with you by establishing what your actual stance on a global flood is. You have dodged all these questions leaving it up to everyone else to guess what it is you want to know. It appears you are uninterested in debating or discussing the topic at hand as you already have your rigid conclusion and you seem to be here just to make snarky comments. If that is not the case please answer the questions posed, starting with:

What specific experiment that would satisfy you could be done. Include details.

Do you also keep in mind so well the scripture that says we're known by our fruits?

At the moment your fruits are coming across as quite bitter.

 

[Psudopod]

Maybe you need to go back and look again with our more-sophisticated tools, eh?

What are we looking for? When evidence counteracts the fact that there are cultures across the globe who continued unaffect while the flood was going on? What evidence explains why there is no universal bottleneck in animals and humans 4000 years ago, despite all populations growing from a very small number of ancestors?

 

[AV1611VET]

What evidence do you expect us to find?

A single correlated layer of water damage around the earth.

I'm actually out to lunch on this, though; as I believe God cleaned up the mess, yet left "easter eggs" behind in the form of:

1. Grand Canyon
2. White Cliffs of Dover
3. seashells in mountains and deserts

 

[CTD]

I see -- using equipment from the 1800s, in other words?

Maybe you need to go back and look again with our more-sophisticated tools, eh?

Or even a NON-onion coat model and a lack of old-earth presuppositions. That way, only the naked eye is required. Works every time!

Even contemporaries of the OEC's were able to discover quite a bit of evidence, but they get retroactively classified as ''unscientific''. Oooh - isn't that impressive!

 

[AV1611VET]

I have studied geology in the field and I know what I am looking at and I have never seen evidence for a global flood.

What about those who claim they have seen evidence of no global flood?

I think that's what this thread is all about.

That's why this thread has gone so long -- no one is stepping up to the plate to answer the OP.