Which Day of the Week is the Sabbath?

[BrightCandle]

that is taking the verse completely out of context. what they are stating is that Gentiles have become Christians, are they bound to keep the ceremonial law? of course not. however, to avoid offending the Jewish Christians, and Gentile proselytes who have become Christians, who hear the law of Moses in the synagogue every Sabbath, we will command them to keep such and such laws.

Note, when were the Gentile Christians going to church? On the Sabbath, and not on Sunday.

 

[Montalban]

The significance of how few references there are to Sunday worship in the NT, is that proponents of Sunday worship try to convince people that the disciples and the apostles were worshipping on Sunday ever since the resurrection of Jesus. But, what do we see in the NT? Just the opposite! The disciples kept the Sabbath while Jesus rested in the tomb on the Sabbath, and they continued to keep it well into the first century. If there was a change it came gradually, not based on any command from God, but based on "the traditions of men".

All you've done is repeated the same argument.

"x" ammount of mentions
THEN
leap to conclusion

As noted, you must now accept the Pope, because Catholics show that Peter is mentioned more times than any other Apostle!
(of course you're not willing to make a massive leap, based on the same type of argument). You need more than stats.

 

[Montalban]

Here is the real question: Why is there no command from Jesus or the Apostles to keep Sunday in the NT?

Why is there none to keep Saturday? In fact Jesus is accused of breaking it, and uses the illustration of David breaking it too!

The reason that the Sabbath was not mentioned in some of the summaries of the commandments in the NT, is that it was non-issue. No one kept Sunday as a Sabbath early early in the first century. Yes, there was a celebration of the resurrection on Sunday that did develop later on, but it was not based on a commandment of Jesus or the Apostles. And it did not fully displace the Sabbath until many centuries later. In fact the Eastern Church kept the Sabbath up till the 5th century, but gave it up under pressure from western Roman church.

See the site I cited that deals with 'issues' of import.

 

[BrightCandle]

All you've done is repeated the same argument.

"x" ammount of mentions
THEN
leap to conclusion

As noted, you must now accept the Pope, because Catholics show that Peter is mentioned more times than any other Apostle!
(of course you're not willing to make a massive leap, based on the same type of argument). You need more than stats.

Not so. This is a logical conclusion. If Jesus wrote in stone with his own finger the Sabbath commandment, then should He for reason would choose to change it, would it not make sense that the divine lawgiver would in a similar dramatic fashion let the whole world know that the Sabbath commandment has now been changed from the 7th to the 1st? If your father tells you to do something, you would continue to do so if you as an obediant son, until he tells you otherwise. There is no definite words from Jesus or the Apostles that the day on which to keep the Sabbath had changed. If there were I would be keeping it on another day! Even Roman Catholicism admits in their own writings that the origin of Sunday worship is not based on a command from the Bible, it is based on church tradition. And what did Jesus think of those who "trumped" the Word of God with tradition? He called it "vain worship".

 

[Rut]

Why is there none to keep Saturday? In fact Jesus is accused of breaking it, and uses the illustration of David breaking it too!

See the site I cited that deals with 'issues' of import.

if Jesus was accused to breaking the Sabbath what was his reply? Maybe we can learn something there

 

[RedTulipMom]

I don't know if its been brought up yet or not. Jesus IS the SABBATH. Jesus is the 8th day!! We REST in HIM now! I think everyone knows the Sabbath in the OT was on Saturday. NOBODY changed the Sabbath to Sunday. We worship our LORD on Sunday as a group. We worship our LORD everyday for that matter. We are in the NEW COVENANT, not the OLD. JESUS IS OUR SABBATH REST, we no longer need to REST on the 7th day..hes the 8th day!

 

[BrightCandle]

Why is there none to keep Saturday? In fact Jesus is accused of breaking it, and uses the illustration of David breaking it too!

See the site I cited that deals with 'issues' of import.

The command to keep the Sabbath was in the Bible that Jesus and the disciples read from, the OT, and it was found in Exodus 20.

Jesus and David did not break the Sabbath, they were just accused of breaking it by those who didn't understand what true Sabbath worship was all about.

The example of Jesus faithfully keeping the Sabbath his whole life, and even keeping it in tomb speaks louder than words. Additionally, his disciples kept it as well as recorded in the Gospels even after his death and resurrection. As I said in an earlier post, the Sabbath verse Sunday issue was a non-issue in their time, because the only type of weekly Sunday worship that existed in the time of Christ in the first century was pagan Sun worship, and only type of weekly Christian worship that existed then was Sabbath worship on the 7th day.

 

[BrightCandle]

I don't know if its been brought up yet or not. Jesus IS the SABBATH. Jesus is the 8th day!! We REST in HIM now! I think everyone knows the Sabbath in the OT was on Saturday. NOBODY changed the Sabbath to Sunday. We worship our LORD on Sunday as a group. We worship our LORD everyday for that matter. We are in the NEW COVENANT, not the OLD. JESUS IS OUR SABBATH REST, we no longer need to REST on the 7th day..hes the 8th day!

Where in the Bible does it say that the Sabbath is the 8th day? Nowhere.

The number 7 symbolizes perfection, 1 and 8 don't cut it.

And for your information, the Roman Catholic Church admits that they changed the Sabbath to Sunday. Check it out for yourself.

 

[RedTulipMom]

Exactly !

Sunday of Great and Holy Pascha is the Mystical Eighth day, the first day of the new Creation. The old Creation, and the Sabbath that commemorated it, has passed away. The old things have passed away, all things are made new !! We now commemorate the Resurrection of our Lord and the new life and Creation, not the old The purpose of the Jews and their ritual laws has been fulfilled, culminating in the birth of the most Holy Theotokos, and from her flesh, our Saviour.

ahh..i see i am NOT the first one to bring up the 8th day..the first day of the NEW CREATION...like i said we are under the NEW COVENANT..Jesus is our Sabbath~we REST in him!!

 

[Montalban]

The command to keep the Sabbath was in the Bible that Jesus and the disciples read from, the OT, and it was found in Exodus 20.

Which version of the Bible did they use?

Jesus and David did not break the Sabbath, they were just accused of breaking it by those who didn't understand what true Sabbath worship was all about.

Which is?
The "Law" clearly says not to work on it. David did. Jesus did.

 

[RedTulipMom]

Where in the Bible does it say that the Sabbath is the 8th day? Nowhere.

The number 7 symbolizes perfection, 1 and 8 don't cut it.

And for your information, the Roman Catholic Church admits that they changed the Sabbath to Sunday. Check it out for yourself.

really? wonder why the jews circumcised their babies on the 8th day after birth? wonder why there were 8 people on the ark? wonder why David was the 8th son of Jesse? is this all COINCIDENCE?

heres some scripture for ya..

Leviticus 23:39:
Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the Lord seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.

Numbers 29:35:
On the eighth day you shall have a solemn assembly: you shall do no laborious work, but you shall offer a burnt offering, an offering by fire, a pleasant odor to God.

In the Bible, the Hebrews celebrated a Feast called the Feast of Tabernacles, or Feast of the Ingathering (sukkot), which lasted seven days. The Eighth Day Assembly is the "additional day" added to the end of the Feast of Tabernacles

In the New Testament, Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead on the Eighth Day (Matthew 28:1). He came 'when the fullness of time was come...made under the law' (Galatians 4:4). The fullness of time under the law according to God's time clock is seven days (days 1 - 7), seven meaning 'completion.' Jesus Resurrected on day 8!!!

The 8th day is a "hidden day". Not having place within the boundaries of the earthly seven days, it is not something you see, but rather something you experience. And in Christ, it can be experienced daily, not just on Saturday or Sunday.

The Apostle Paul spoke of the Eighth Day sabbath in Hebrews chapters 3 & 4.

Hebrews 4: 4-9:
For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place AGAIN, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: AGAIN, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, Today, after so long a time; as it is said, Today if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of ANOTHER DAY. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

The rest spoken of above is NOT referring to the seventh day sabbath, it is referring to the Eighth Day sabbath of Christ. It is His Day, His enclosure, His peace, His rest, His unity. And the way you enter in is by Faith. Faith in the Grace, Reconciliation, and Love of Christ

 

[Montalban]

really? wonder why the jews circumcised their babies on the 8th day after birth? wonder why there were 8 people on the ark? wonder why David was the 8th son of Jesse? is this all COINCIDENCE?

heres some scripture for ya..

Here's some more!

Leviticus 12:3
And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.

Leviticus 14:10
And on the eighth day he shall take two he lambs without blemish, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish, and three tenth deals of fine flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and one log of oil. (more on this day of sacrifice further in the chapter, and in the next, such as...
Leviticus 15:14
And on the eighth day he shall take to him two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, and come before the LORD unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and give them unto the priest:

and again...
Leviticus 22:27
When a bullock, or a sheep, or a goat, is brought forth, then it shall be seven days under the dam; and from the eighth day and thenceforth it shall be accepted for an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
and again...
Leviticus 23:36
Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.

SO the eighth day was an important date for the Lord.

In fact the eighth day is used to confirm the seven days...
2 Chronicles 7:9
And in the eighth day they made a solemn assembly: for they kept the dedication of the altar seven days, and the feast seven days.

and
Nehemiah 8:18
Also day by day, from the first day unto the last day, he read in the book of the law of God. And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day was a solemn assembly, according unto the manner.
and again...
Ezekiel 43:27
And when these days are expired, it shall be, that upon the eighth day, and so forward, the priests shall make your burnt offerings upon the altar, and your peace offerings; and I will accept you, saith the Lord GOD.

 

[Montalban]

Thus in the NT they keep the eighth day...
Luke 1:59
And it came to pass, that on the eighth day they came to circumcise the child; and they called him Zacharias, after the name of his father.

 

[lmnop9876]

Note, when were the Gentile Christians going to church? On the Sabbath, and not on Sunday.

these are Jews and Gentile proselytes to Judaism, not Christians. while some of these, when converted to Christ, may have continued in the synagogue for the sake of hearing the Old Testament preached, there were others who heard the Gospel in Paul's preaching elsewhere, and would not have been familiar with Judaic laws.

 

[Rut]

As I promised I have read much these 3 day I have day off.In my brain have it begin to be some question if that is true that Adam had Sabbath day.I can`t see it in the Bibel I shall explain


When Israel was in Egypt thye couldn`t have had Sabbath.When Moses came to Pharaoh and asked for 3 day off to sacrifice to God Then Pharaoh was complained that Moses came and interfering.How much more so ifthe Israelites had tried to rest one day out of seven (Ex 5:1 - 5) If Israel already had observing the sabbath it could not have servedas a reminder of theirs deliverance from Egypt by God as shown in Deuteronomy 5:15 The fact that some of them went out and pick mannaon the seventh day show in spite of direct instuction to the contrary indicate that sabbath observance was something new.That there was uncertainty in handling the case of the recorded sabbath breaker after the law had been given at Sinai also show I thinkthat sabbath had only recently been instituted (Num 15:32 - 36)

That is what I found that I begin to think little

 

[Rut]

Where in the Bible does it say that the Sabbath is the 8th day? Nowhere.

The number 7 symbolizes perfection, 1 and 8 don't cut it.

And for your information, the Roman Catholic Church admits that they changed the Sabbath to Sunday. Check it out for yourself.

The number eight was also used to add emphasis to the completness of something (one more than seven the number generally used for completness) thus sometimes representative abundance.

 

[Normann]

Just from memory I think the Sabbath is mentioned about 70 times in the New Testament...............
............But if we look we can see that it is mentioned as I said about 70 times.
I am yet to see a text that tells me that there is a change.

Hey Cliff,
I have yet to see a text in the N.T. that tells us to keep Saturday as the Sabbath!

The word Sabbath is in the N. T. but the command to keep it is not there even once.

The word law is in the N. T. over 100 times, do you keep th law?

The word tongues and tongue is in the N. T. over 40 times, do you speak in tongues?

The word prophecy, prophets and prophet is in the N. T. over 150 times, do you prophecy?

Simply because a word that happens to be in the N. T. does not constitute a N. T. Law.



IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

 

[calidog]

The number eight was also used to add emphasis to the completness of something (one more than seven the number generally used for completness) thus sometimes representative abundance.

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[Cliff2]

Hey Cliff,
I have yet to see a text in the N.T. that tells us to keep Saturday as the Sabbath!

The word Sabbath is in the N. T. but the command to keep it is not there even once.

The word law is in the N. T. over 100 times, do you keep th law?

The word tongues and tongue is in the N. T. over 40 times, do you speak in tongues?

The word prophecy, prophets and prophet is in the N. T. over 150 times, do you prophecy?

Simply because a word that happens to be in the N. T. does not constitute a N. T. Law.



IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

You have missed my point about the 7th day Sabbath.

The 7th day Sabbath was what the Jews kept in the time of Christ. No where in the NT is there a text to say that it has been changed. Christ and the Apostles did not need to say to keep it as it was the day everyone kept.

Am I going to tell you to drive on the right hand side of the road? I do not need to as you are doing that all the time.

It was exactly the same with the Sabbath back then. It was not an issue, they all kept it.

As I have said it is mentioned over 70 times in the NT and not once is there any indication to say that the Sabbath has been changed.

 

[Rut]

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What you mean? Do you mean I new.I said I had study this subject when I had 3 day off.Instead try to explain