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In THIS church age, quite simple. Take in doctrine daily, grow, filling of the Holy Spirit, with Epignosis doctrine resident in the soul of the believer produces divine good. The Lord gives us only one day at a time, and in each day we are to praise and worship Him through his written word, prayer, fellowship, and divine thinking. What verse in Rev.?visionary said:so how do you keep the commandments and the faith of Jesus as it is spoke of in Revelation?
winslow said:Have you looked at a calander lately, it han't changed in thousands of years and the daily cyle remains as it was before it was changed. Sunday is the first day of the week, not the last.
Dragons87 said:If Monday is our first working day, then naturally Sunday would be our last day of the week.
Frankly, I don't think it matters because weeks are in cycles, and you can begin and end your starting work day any day of the week. It's just that Sunday now has a more significant meaning than Saturday, so we keep it on Sunday.
The filling of the Holy Spirit (1 John 1:9) is how we fullfill ALL of God's mandates.jochanaan said:Oh really? What about the other Nine Commandments? Are they irrelevant too?
winslow said:John 14:15- If you love Me, you will keep my commandments.
People seemingly look at this verse backwards, thinking that if they try hard enough to keep the commandments they will develop a love for Jesus. Or that to prove your love for Jesus you must try as hard as you can to keep His commandments.
In reality if we develop our love for Jesus through a relationship with Him, then "keeping His commandments", or obedience, is a natural result. You are not focusing on the obedience, you are focusing on Jesus. Obedience is the natural outgrowth of our love for Him.
An apple tree doesn't produce apples to prove it's an apple tree. It produces apples because that is what it isb
winslow said:Have you looked at a calander lately, it han't changed in thousands of years and the daily cyle remains as it was before it was changed. Sunday is the first day of the week, not the last.
winslow said:John 14:15- If you love Me, you will keep my commandments.
People seemingly look at this verse backwards, thinking that if they try hard enough to keep the commandments they will develop a love for Jesus. Or that to prove your love for Jesus you must try as hard as you can to keep His commandments.
In reality if we develop our love for Jesus through a relationship with Him, then "keeping His commandments", or obedience, is a natural result. You are not focusing on the obedience, you are focusing on Jesus. Obedience is the natural outgrowth of our love for Him.
An apple tree doesn't produce apples to prove it's an apple tree. It produces apples because that is what it isb
ethereous said:I don't remember anywhere it saying what exact day the Sabbath is on. Just the fact that you should rest on the 7th day instead of working a 7 day work week.
jochanaan said:linssue, I have heard that logic. And as far as salvation goes, it is right: we cannot expect that following the Law will save us no matter how carefully we do it. But this is not a matter of salvation; it's a matter of obedience because we have been saved and declared His children.
If you followed such logic to its conclusion, only two laws might stand at all: to love God with all our beings, and to love our neighbors as ourselves. Would we then find that we could set aside the regulations against murder? Or using the Lord's name to curse another? (That's only one way of taking His name in vain.) Or taking what is not ours?
As it happens, Paul himself warned strongly against such an interpretation. "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." (Romans 3:31) "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid...." (ch. 6:1-2) "For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another." (Galatians 5:13)
So what did he mean when he said that the Law was no longer in force? It would seem he meant that the Law's penalties no longer applied--not that the Law itself was done away with, as Jesus agrees in Matthew 5:17: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets..." The clearest passage I can find on this matter is Colossians 2:13-15: "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it." In this verse it is not the Law itself that is "nailed to the cross" but rather "the handwriting of ordinances," the indictment against us that declares us guilty to death. Praise God that He paid the price His own justice demands!
So the Law's principles remain, even though their penalty is voided.
Then do we keep them all unaltered, or do we let some of them slip or adjust them to differing conditions? Well, there do seem to be differences; Jesus Himself speaks of "one of these least commandments" (Matthew 5:19) and readily answered when asked which was the greatest. In at least one case, circumcision, Paul says that if Gentiles obey it at all, their salvation is voided. (See Galatians 5:2-12) As for the food laws, Jesus' parable in Mark 7:14-23 and Peter's vision in Acts 10 seem to indicate that they are not, or are no longer, strictly in force.
But the Sabbath is not like that. It is one of the Ten original Commandments, and it was ordained by God Himself as early as Genesis 2:2-3, in the "Days of Creation." (Please; I'm not insisting they were literal days!) And I find no indication of any change in this commandment in the New Testament, as we have discussed extensively.
So as long as we're keeping one day in seven, I for one will continue to observe it, not according to my own whim, but agreeing with the day that some of the world's best record-keepers, the Jews, agree is the Seventh Day of Biblical times.
Note: I'll be out of town for the next few days, so I probably won't be able to reply immediately. (jochanaan)
What the Jews were given in the wilderness is the grace package ... given in symbolic messages, that Yeshua lived in truth and spirit when He walked the earth. That is why Yeshua could say to the lawyer who was asking about eternal life...One might as well just slap the Lord in the face and say, "Sorry God, I will stick to what you gave the jews in the wilderness, and won't accept this wonderful grace package that you have given us today in the church age. After all Lord, I do prefer what you gave in the old testement better, so thanks, but NO THANKS Lord". This takes B_lls! For what you told me, the Lord is ALSO KNOW'S. I would be very afraid the Lord would strike me with a bolt of lightning. Unbelieveable!!
There was grace offered to the lawyer by the Lord Himself.Luke 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? 27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. 28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
You are not understanding. The law was abolished and replaced by Grace. When we are is FELLOWSHIP (rebound 1 John 1 :9) we ARE fullfilling the law Already.jochanaan said:Let me make sure I'm understanding you, linssue. Are you saying that NONE of the Biblical laws, Old Testament or New, apply to us who are saved by grace? Or any other laws at all? That we're free to disregard any rule, whoever makes it?
If so, how can you avoid any mention of law when you "take in doctrine"? If not, whose laws still apply, and whose can we disregard freely?
(Note: I'll be out of town for the next few days, so I probably won't be able to reply immediately.)
It was offer just as it was offered to us, it still is up to us to accept. As Moses said...linssue55 said:The jews in the exodus NEVER had the "FILLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT", (the grace package) they only had their HUMAN abilty to serve the Lord, that is why almost all of them failed. God KNEW this, THAT is why the law was obolished. This is the part of the mystery doctrine for the church, this is what put's us above any other generation before us. We are unique. We have more than any other people, His GIFT to us![/I][/B]
God wants the same then as He does now, for all of us to walk in His Spirit.Numbers 11:29
And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!
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