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Which commandments to break?

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Mat 5:19 So whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Which commandments are meant here: Jesus' commandments, all Torah commandments, or moral Torah commandments?
 
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Mat 5:19 So whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Which commandments are meant here: Jesus' commandments, all Torah commandments, or moral Torah commandments?

Matthew 4:4
But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
 
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Mat 5:19 So whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Which commandments are meant here: Jesus' commandments, all Torah commandments, or moral Torah commandments?
Well Paul says let everyone be fully convinced in his own mind. Love is the answer.

There is however some interesting parrels for instance Pentecost. The day God gave Torah to Moses. The day first Christians were filled with Holy Spirit. Also through power of Holy Spirit in old Testament many miracles happened. Which is today by the way.

Is impossible to 100% keep Torah without a temple for sacrifices, which we know Christ is the ultimate sacrifice.
 
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Mat 5:19 So whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Which commandments are meant here: Jesus' commandments, all Torah commandments, or moral Torah commandments?

I think the rest of chapter 5 helps answer that question. In vs 21 Jesus states a written commandment, "You shall not murder." But then he reveals (not "interprets") the true nature of the law. The matter of the law is the heart and intention, not just the act of killing without justification.

Keep in mind that he just told his disciples that their righteousness (justice) must exceed that of the Pharisees. Then he reveals what that looks like according to the law and prophets. So, he is talking about Torah, but understood rightly. The conclusion being: be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect.

I would say the answer to your question is listen to and obey Jesus, and do so from the heart. But that is not just a matter of following some set list of rules. It will be according to the spirit of the law, which is love.
 
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Mat 5:19 So whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Which commandments are meant here: Jesus' commandments, all Torah commandments, or moral Torah commandments?

In Matthew 5:17, Jesus said he came to fulfill the Torah and the Prophets, which straightforwardly refers to everything in the Torah and the Prophets.

Jesus set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Torah and he did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced, so he did not teach his own commandments. Jesus was not in disagreement with what the Father taught, but rather he said that his teachings were not his own, but that of the Father (John 14:24), so again he did not teach his own commandments. In Deuteronomy 4:2, it is a sin to add to or subtract from the Torah, so Jesus did not do that.

Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to obey God, so all of God's laws are inherently moral laws and there are no examples in the Bible of disobedience to any of God's laws being considered to be moral. Morality is based on God's nature and God's Torah is His instructions for how to act in accordance with His nature, so the entire Torah is what defines morality. The Bible often uses the same terms to describe the nature of God as it does to describe the nature of God's Torah, which again is because it His instructions for how how to express His nature, such as with it being holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12), or with justice, mercy, and faithfulness being weightier matters of the Torah. God's ways reveal His nature and there are many verses that describe the Torah as being instructions for how to walk in God's ways, such as Deuteronomy 10:12-13, Isaiah 2:2-3, Joshua 22:5, Psalms 103:7, and many others. Jesus is the exact expression of God's nature (Hebrews 1:3), so He expressed only the divine nature through his actions and what that looked like was sinless obedience to the Torah, and our sanctification is about being made to be more like him in partaking of the divine nature (2 Peter 1:3-12).
 
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I think the rest of chapter 5 helps answer that question. In vs 21 Jesus states a written commandment, "You shall not murder." But then he reveals (not "interprets") the true nature of the law. The matter of the law is the heart and intention, not just the act of killing without justification.

Keep in mind that he just told his disciples that their righteousness (justice) must exceed that of the Pharisees. Then he reveals what that looks like according to the law and prophets. So, he is talking about Torah, but understood rightly. The conclusion being: be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect.

I would say the answer to your question is listen to and obey Jesus, and do so from the heart. But that is not just a matter of following some set list of rules. It will be according to the spirit of the law, which is love.

We are commanded not to hate our brother in Leviticus 19:17, so that was not revealing something that was brand new.
 
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Mat 5:19 So whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Which commandments are meant here: Jesus' commandments, all Torah commandments, or moral Torah commandments?

As has been said it doesn't matter which one is identified as the least, what matters is that by word and example we all teach the young, the weak in faith and all vunerable people to love and obey Jesus.
 
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Mat 5:19 So whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Which commandments are meant here: Jesus' commandments, all Torah commandments, or moral Torah commandments?
Jesus was first referring to the religious people of His day, particularly the Pharisees who formed their own traditions at the expense of God's commandments. Then Jesus referred to such as John the baptist who is called the greatest in the kingdom because he upheld the commandments of God.

These words of Jesus about John the Baptist are recorded in Matthew 11:11 and Luke 7:28. "Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist!"

Then Jesus spoke of the disciples and those who would believe through their gospel message. "Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he."
 
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Mat 5:19 So whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Which commandments are meant here: Jesus' commandments, all Torah commandments, or moral Torah commandments?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Gal, 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

1 John, 4:20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.
John 13:35 By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another."
In Christ
 
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Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Gal, 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

1 John, 4:20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.
John 13:35 By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another."
In Christ

Why isn't the Holy Spirit mentioned in these discussions? We Christians are not under law but under grace. We are supposed to be led internally by the Holy Spirit, who will lead us into all truth. The law died with Jesus on the cross. Paul gives a magnificent treatise about this in Romans 7. Here are a few verses from that chapter...

"So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you could be joined to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, to bear fruit to God"

"But now we have been released from the law, because we have died to what controlled us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit and not under the old written code."

Followed by perhaps this great paragraph...

"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the life-giving Spirit in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. For God achieved what the law could not do because it was weakened through the flesh. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and concerning sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, so that the righteous requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
 
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Why isn't the Holy Spirit mentioned in these discussions? We Christians are not under law but under grace. We are supposed to be led internally by the Holy Spirit, who will lead us into all truth. The law died with Jesus on the cross. Paul gives a magnificent treatise about this in Romans 7. Here are a few verses from that chapter...

"So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you could be joined to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, to bear fruit to God"

"But now we have been released from the law, because we have died to what controlled us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit and not under the old written code."

Followed by perhaps this great paragraph...

"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the life-giving Spirit in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. For God achieved what the law could not do because it was weakened through the flesh. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and concerning sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, so that the righteous requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
What's it like to take on a woolly mammoth?
 
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I give up. What is it like to take on a woolly mammoth?
I was surmising given your photo, you could tell me. Didn't know they had cameras back then. Must have been a bit if a rush. Or is that not you? My bad.
 
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I was surmising given your photo, you could tell me. Didn't know they had cameras back then. Must have been a bit if a rush. Or is that not you? My bad.

That's a picture of what Ötzi, the alpine hunter whose mummified remains were discovered in the Alps, looked like.

Ötzi, also called the Iceman, is the well-preserved natural mummy of a man who lived between 3400 and 3100 BCE. The mummy was found in September 1991 in the Ötztal Alps, hence the nickname "Ötzi", near Similaun mountain and Hauslabjoch on the border between Austria and Italy.

1. The Iceman has living relatives.


Living links to the Iceman have now been revealed by a new DNA study. Gene researchers looking at unusual markers on the Iceman's male sex chromosome report that they have uncovered at least 19 genetic relatives of Ötzi in Austria's Tyrol region.


The match was made from samples of 3,700 anonymous blood donors in a study led by Walther Parson at Innsbruck Medical University. Sharing a rare mutation known as G-L91, "the Iceman and those 19 share a common ancestor, who may have lived 10,000 to 12,000 years ago," Parson said.


The finding supports previous research suggesting that Ötzi and his ancestors were of farming stock. The study used Y-chromosome markers that are passed from father to son to trace the Neolithic migrations that brought farming to Europe via the Alps. Ötzi belonged to a Y-chromosome group called haplogroup G, which is rooted, like farming, in the Middle East.


The study's overall results fit the idea that the changes of the Neolithic Revolution spurred people westward into the Tyrol region, Parson said.


He is nevertheless wary of any suggestion that Ötzi's distant relatives might be a chip off the old block, either physically or in their liking for simple grain porridge.

2. He had several health issues.


Since Ötzi's discovery in an alpine glacier more than two decades ago, scientists have subjected his mummy to a full-body health check. The findings don't make pretty reading. The 40-something's list of complaints include worn joints, hardened arteries, gallstones, and a nasty growth on his little toe (perhaps caused by frostbite).


Furthermore, the Iceman's gut contained the eggs of parasitic worms, he likely had Lyme disease, and he had alarming levels of arsenic in his system (probably due to working with metal ores and copper extraction). Ötzi was also in need of a dentist—an in-depth dental examination found evidence of advanced gum disease and tooth decay. (See video: "Iceman Autopsy.")


Despite all this, and a fresh arrow wound to his shoulder, it was a sudden blow to the head that proved fatal to Ötzi.


3. He also had anatomical abnormalities.


Besides his physical ailments, the Iceman had several anatomical abnormalities. He lacked both wisdom teeth and a 12th pair of ribs. The mountain man also sported a caddish gap between his two front teeth, known as a diastema. Whether this impressed the ladies is a moot point—some researchers suspect Ötzi might have been infertile.


4. The Iceman was inked.

Ötzi's frozen mummy preserves a fine collection of Copper Age tattoos. Numbering over 50 in total, they cover him from head to foot. These weren't produced using a needle, but by making fine cuts in the skin and then rubbing in charcoal. The result was a series of lines and crosses mostly located on parts of the body that are prone to injury or pain, such as the joints and along the back. This has led some researchers to believe that the tattoos marked acupuncture points.



If so, Ötzi must have needed a lot of treatment, which, given his age and ailments, isn't so surprising. The oldest evidence for acupuncture, Ötzi's tattoos suggest that the practice was around at least 2,000 years earlier than previously thought.


5. He consumed pollen and goats.

The Iceman's final meals have served up a feast of information to scholars. His stomach contained 30 different types of pollen. Analysis of that pollen shows that Ötzi died in spring or early summer, and it has even enabled researchers to trace his movements through different mountain elevations just before he died. His partially digested last meal suggests he ate two hours before his grisly end. It included grains and meat from an ibex, a species of nimble-footed wild goat.

And now, back to the thread! 8^)
 
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