Which Apostle

[Jerrysch]

Which Apostle does Scripture indicate was the fist one to share the Gospel with a Gentile?

 

[Tychicum]

Which Apostle does Scripture indicate was the fist one to share the Gospel with a Gentile?

Hmmmm ... "share the gospel" ... A tricky question.

It probably couldn't be said it was Peter with Cornelius ... you see Cornelius was already a God fearing praying man ...

Act 10:2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

Then of course God sent an angel to Cornelius and told him what was coming ... told him to get men to go fetch Peter. Peter mustn't have been enthusiastic about "road trips" ...

Acts 10:4-5 KJV And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God. (5) And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter

Seems Peter needed some convincing to go to Cornelius but God won over Peter's reluctance. With visions no less. Seems 3 plus years with Jesus ministry wasn't sufficient for Peter to go to the gentiles without additional prompting ...

Peter's opening line isn't one I would suggest if one is witnessing today ... It doesn't actually qualify as "sharing the gospel" ...

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Then Peter ... must have sensed things weren't going that well ... removed his foot from his mouth said ...

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons

Well at least it wasn't as negative ...

Then Peter mentions that he and others were witness to Jesus crucification and resurrection ...

No ... he never said it was "good news" ... no he doesn't mention forgiveness of sin nor blood ... doesn't mention salvation ...

Hardly what we would call "sharing the gospel" ...

Peter didn't actually get all the words out of his mouth and God took over (hey ... it was Peter's first encounter with a gentile ... he needed some help) ...

Acts 10:44-45 KJV While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. (45) And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

They were all quite shocked that God saved the gentiles ...

On the way home Peter had practiced what he would say to the Jerusalem team. He knew they wouldn't be very enthusiastic over this turn of events ...

Acts 11:2-18 KJV And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him, (3) Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them. (4) But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying, (5) I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me: (6) Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. (7) And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat. (8) But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth. (9) But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. (10) And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven. (11) And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me. (12) And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house: (13) And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter; (14) Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. (15) And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. (16) Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. (17) Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? (18) When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

I am convinced that the Lord prepaired Peter by this experience to accept Paul ... who would come some years after this.

An Apostle for the gentiles ... who would preach a gospel ... one of Grace ... in which there is no difference between the Jew and Greek.

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[Dispy]

Which Apostle does Scripture indicate was the fist one to share the Gospel with a Gentile?

In Acts 8, and beginning in verse 26, God sent Philip to minister to the Ethiopian eunuch. He was a Gentile. However, Philip did not preach "the gospel of the grace of God" to him.

God Bless.
Live Well, Laugh Often and Love the Lord!

 

[Tychicum]

In Acts 8, and beginning in verse 26, God sent Philip to minister to the Ethiopian eunuch. He was a Gentile. However, Philip did not preach "the gospel of the grace of God" to him.

The Ethiopian eunuch would have been a Jew. What makes you think he was a gentile?

Jew proselyte.

What does the Scripture say?

Acts 8:27-28 KJV And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, (28) Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

This guy was in Jerusalem to worship ... who's God was worshiped in Jerusalem?

And he was sitting around reading "Esaias the prophet".

Who did that?

Jews.

There always were Jewish proselytes ... they ceased being a gentile when they were convered in their baptism ceremony ...

He would have been circumcised as well as a part of becoming a Jew.

Cornelius would be the same.

Don't be mislead by some preacher's tradition.

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[Dispy]

The Ethiopian eunuch would have been a Jew. What makes you think he was a gentile?

Jew proselyte.

What does the Scripture say?
This guy was in Jerusalem to worship ... who's God was worshiped in Jerusalem?

And he was sitting around reading "Esaias the prophet".

Who did that?

Jews.

There always were Jewish proselytes ... they ceased being a gentile when they were convered in their baptism ceremony ...

He would have been circumcised as well as a part of becoming a Jew.

Cornelius would be the same.

Don't be mislead by some preacher's tradition.

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The Bible doesn't tell us if he was a Jew or not. Therefore, It is a possibility that he was a Jew.

However, it is also possible that he was a Gentile and wanted to serve the true and living God of Israel. Also he may have gone to Jerusalem in hopes of finding Him there.

God has never turned anyone away any Gentile that sought after him, therefore I God, knowing the eunuch's search, sent Philip to show him the way to God.

The eunuch may or may not have been a Jew. Anyway, it did give us something to consider.


God Bless.
Live Well, Laugh Often and Love the Lord!

 

[Apollos1]

Which Apostle?

Acts 15:7 - Brethren, ye know that a good while ago God made choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

Which Apostle ??? It was Peter – or the Holy Spirit did not know what was be written by Luke!

Tychicum said – No ... he never said it was "good news" … (Lol!)

YES Peter did! You really should read all available information. Acts 15 (oh yes, READ my thread about Acts 15 !!!) has Peter recounting the occasion of Acts 10.

Tychicum said - ... doesn't mention salvation ...

Peter reviewing the occasion in Acts 15 said…

Acts 15:11 - But we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in like manner as they.

Tychicum said - Hardly what we would call "sharing the gospel" ...

See above!

Tychiucm said - An Apostle for the gentiles ... who would preach a gospel ... one of Grace ... in which there is no difference between the Jew and Greek.

Could be Peter or Paul…

Acts 15:9 - and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

Peter knew this - he had from Acts 10! Paul standing by has NO dissention! The only ones that doesn’t know this are the dispys.

 

[Tychicum]

I don't believe that Cornelius was a Gentile strictly speaking. He was born one ... but he had converted to Judaism.

"Low hanging fruit".

Check his history.

Acts 10:1-2 KJV There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, (2) A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

Not your "run of the mill" uncircumcised Jew and God hating gentile.

I would be nice if it were a Gentile.

This was YEARS and YEARS after Jesus had left for heaven and one would hope that sooner or later Peter would run into at least ONE gentile ...

But in spite of this Peter was shocked at the outcome.

And he was concerned what the Jews back home would say.

So it is frightfully misleading to suggest that Peter was out preachin' to the Gentiles.

I say Peter gets 1/2 a point.

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[Apollos1]

Tychicum -

I am wondering just what it takes to get you to believe what is in plain print. How much does your theology cause you to ignore and reject plain teaching???

Even my rainbow colors can't get the truth to you!

For all of your qualifying and posturing on Cornelius, you have presented nothing, zero, nada to show/prove he was a proselyte.

Allow me to type it out for you here...

Acts 15:7 - Brethren, ye know that a good while ago God made choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of thegospel, and believe. ASV

Acts 15:7 - Brethren, ye know that a good while ago God made choice among you, that by my mouth the [PROSELYTES] should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. New Tychicum Version

I prefer to believe what the HS has provided - not you!

All you have done is presented you opinion and wish-list...

 

[Tychicum]

Apollos1 ... I fail to see your point. Do you have a point?

Even if I were to concede to you that Cornelius was born in Texas and voted Republican what does that mean?

I think that Cornelius was a God fearing man. You say different.

So what?

I don't think that Peter preached to him much as Scripture said he didn't.

I think it was a MAJOR turning point ... as prior to this Peter wouldn't even dain to talk to a Gentile as it was for him against the Law of Moses. I believe it was to prepare Peter to meet Paul.

Even when Peter presented Paul to the Jerusalem council Peter recounted his Cornelius experience.

Everything happens for a purpose.

Yes I think Peter was slow. (As in not particularly swift). But Peter as slow as he was ... still eventually got it.

In Acts 15 he eventually got it.

But I still think that Cornelius was "low hanging fruit" ... as in he had converted to Judaism already so I would consider him to be a Jew.

It was as if the Lord pulled the branches down ... so even Peter could reach them ...




Tell me ... was Samy Davis Jr. a Jew or a gentile? He called himself a Jew.


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[Tychicum]

Tychicum

Why do you always resist the Holy Spirit...?-

Meant to ask ... was this an attempt at an insult ... ?

I prefer to believe what the HS has provided - not you!

I do not believe that you do not have a private line to God. Sorry.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Your tone sounds like it is taking an immature turn ... How old are you?

At times we seem to inundated with school kids ... is school out for the summer already?

Someone with any maturity wouldn't make statements such as this.

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[Apollos1]

Tychicum –

Do I have a point? Yes – I do !

When I can read that a verse like Acts 15:7 – which clearly and succinctly states
-2- things:

1.) Peter preached the GOSPEL to Cornelius –AND-
2.) Peter was the first to preach to the GENTILES.

While you are saying that Cornelius is a Jew and that he did not receive the gospel…

Well – what point do YOU get from this?

Point 1 - It looks as if someone needs to read more closely and pay more attention to what scripture has to say than giving heed to his own opinions. That is one very good POINT! Did you get it?

A second point would be that scripture does not agree with your theology. If Peter states (as he did in Acts 15) that he preached the gospel first to the Gentiles and Paul and Barnabas are standing right there listening, and have no dispute, then it must be so – otherwise Paul certainly would have said something!

Further (a third point if you are counting), PAUL did not disagree or clarify one thing said that day in reference to the GOSPEL or the GENTILES. This makes your second “gospel” so-called very suspect to one prudent enough to think about this in a critical manner. So those who attempt to use this passage to “show” that Paul went to Jerusalem to explain a second “gospel” to them – well, I know it ain’t so!!!

Why? Cause I can read.

If you insist that Cornelius was a proselyte, your unsubstantiated opinion will only lead you farther away from what is actually revealed in scripture – Sammy Davis, Jr. notwithstanding. I know what Acts 15 says!
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As far as insults, I don’t waste my time attempting to insult people. It is counter-productive and most times just unkind. I don’t condone it and do not practice such.

I do recognize that such can too often be inferred in discussions such as this. When one presses to make a point or thinks another is ignoring the truth, things can get stern and incorrect accusation can be made, but insults should never be exchanged.

Unfortunately I know too many “adults” that engage is such pedantics. I am finding out that school does not have to be out for the Summer to find some of that around here… huh?
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You used - 2Peter 1:20 - Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Good passage and everyone has a “line” to God via His word.

But your application took it out of context. This is not talking about a person’s own private interpretation of a passage, but rather about the derivation of scripture itself.

Peter is explaining how scripture came – prior in verse19 he tells how we have a “sure” (firm) word, and after in verse 20 Peter culminates the thought by telling us that scripture did not come by man, but by men moved by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Tychicum]

I believe you should cut back on the caffiene. Maybe stop drinking coffee at noon or so ... certainly none after supper ...

You are missing the drift sister.

I will give it to you in small bites ...

When was Acts 15? Did Cornelius worship God or idols?

On the school issue ... how old are you?

I am into adult conversation. If you haven't earnestly studied these matters for at least a decade or two the chance of me learning anything from you is absolutely nil.

I admit I am not in the least sense interested in teaching you a single thing ... you are going to have to dig it out on your own. Help yourself.

I am out for personal higher knowledge. For me ...

So far you are failing to understand the points I have make and seem to want to "win" at something.

Your last whole post you missed the point that Cornelius was a "God worshiper" before Peter came along ... born yes of Gentile strain ... but a Jew by conversion.

I don't know how much plainer it would have to be for you to understand that.

But if you can't keep the pace it is very hard to knock things around with you to study.

Good luck. But if you can't see it ... you can't see it. There is nothing I or others can do to make you see it.

 

[Apollos1]

It sounds like somebody has their pee-jammies in a wad!
Did I hit a nerve?

Surely someone you know can give you some advice on Acts 15. It isn't that difficult.

So let me spoon-it back to you in very small bits...
(Your barks are in black.)

When was Acts 15? About 50-51 AD.
Did Cornelius worship God or idols? God - but this does not make him a Jew/proselyte.

On the school issue ... how old are you? Age is relative.
I am into adult conversation. Indeed? You could not prove it by your last -2- posts here.
If you haven't earnestly studied these matters for at least a decade or two the chance of me learning anything from you is absolutely nil. Ah, this is the problem. Your ego has been damaged. Nonetheless, you are learning from me already!

I admit I am not in the least sense interested in teaching you a single thing ... Now this does show in your last -2- posts.
...you are going to have to dig it out on your own. Help yourself. Dig what out - real answers to my questions and real discussion from you? I am trying - you are reticent.

I am out for personal higher knowledge. For me ... It is all about YOU, huh?

So far you are failing to understand the points I have make and seem to want to "win" at something. What's to understand? You are failing miserably to defend your theology. And yes, I AM "winning".

Your last whole post you missed the point that Cornelius was a "God worshiper" before Peter came along ... born yes of Gentile strain ... but a Jew by conversion.
All you have to provide is the scripture(s) that prove Cornelius was in fact a convert to Judaism. Not all "worshipers" were proselytes - cf. Matthew 15:27-28, John 4:20-21.

I don't know how much plainer it would have to be for you to understand that. Perhaps it could be as plain as Acts 15:7 where is plainly states that Peter was the first to ever prech the GOSPEL to the GENTILES - hmmm?

But if you can't keep the pace it is very hard to knock things around with you to study. Pat yourself on the back, then compare your little snips of opinion and blah-blah to the length and content of my posts - that will speak for itself.

Good luck. But if you can't see it ... you can't see it. There is nothing I or others can do to make you see it.
I leave you with Matthew 13:15.

I am here when you are ready to get off your high-horse and seriously study our differences. Caio!

 

[heymikey80]

Which Apostle does Scripture indicate was the fist one to share the Gospel with a Gentile?

Now there were some Greeks among those who went up to worship at the Feast. hey came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee, with a request. "Sir," they said, "we would like to see Jesus." Philip went to tell Andrew; Andrew and Philip in turn told Jesus. John 12:20-22
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[eph3Nine]

The question to ask ourselves is, what Gospel did Peter preach to Cornelius? Since Peter was a minister of the Circumcision, and was commissioned with the gospel of the KINGDOM, it is clear that he didnt preach Pauls gospel of the GRACE of God to Cornelius as that wasnt his job. Cornelius was saved under the only gospel Peter had and preached...that of the KINGDOM...law, folks. The point being made with Cornelius was that God was INDEED doing something NEW and different...Cornelius received the spirit BEFORE being water baptized....UH OH....change in procedure, but the same Kingdom gospel indeed. Look at the components.

 

[eph3Nine]

Peter and Paul WERE brethren. They both believed in Christ. Peters belief hinged on the earthly ministry of Christ which was "to the lost sheep of the house of Israel".

Pauls belief hinged on something given to him by the RISEN CHRIST as instructions NEVER BEFORE given...to a Body of Christ which NEVER existed before this. The church that existed BEFORE the revelation of the MYSTERY given to Paul was the KINGDOM CHURCH...consisting of Jews with Peter as their leader.

READ CAREFULLY:
Peter was commissioned to deliver the KINGDOM GOSPEL, which had to do with Israel believing that Jesus WAS their promised MESSIAH and KING, and they were REQUIRED to demonstrate their faith in that FACT by being water baptized "for the remission of their sins."

Paul "preached Jesus Christ ACCORDING TO THE REVELATION OF THE MYSTERY", which was HID to generations and ages PAST (ie; Peter and the NATION Israel).

In Pauls message, he said "Jesus sent ME NOT TO BAPTIZE, but to preach...." Hmmmm...geee this sounds very different to ME!

Pauls Message and Ministry was indeed DIFFERENT...God had CHANGED PROGRAMS. Water baptism is NOT required under our economy, as we have the ONE baptism of Eph 4:5. We are DRY CLEANED. Baptism has to do with IDENTIFICATION, not with gettin wet.

Do you SEE the difference?