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Where's the ecumenical council in protestantism?

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mark46 said:
I don't think this funny at all. I think it a travesty
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The claim of 120,000 is what was funny. A couple of years ago, posters here were holding up 22,000 denominations as something awful. In months, it became 30,000, then 33,000. A little while later it was supposed to be 40,000. NOW, we read 120,000. Just like that.

Well, if the number of Christian denominations has tripled in only a couple of years or so, that's impressive, wouldn't you agree?

But of course, none of that is true and correct. It's just plucked out of thin air, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's become 150,000 before the year is out.
 
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Albion said:
I "am saying" what I said. And I answered the question that you asked.
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With a list of what "you" thought were the essentials the different Protestant denominations have in common on post #76. Which brings to question, where did you get this list?

If you want to pass over that without confronting it and instead go to some other issue, we could take up something else, surely.
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Lol! you keep saying that, but it is simply not true! I did confront it on post # 87 when I asked......

"Are you saying that all Protestant denominations agree 100% on these essentials you listed here?"

And you responded on post #88...."For all intents and purposes, yes." In which I showed on post #92, that no, actually the various Protestant denominations do not agree on two of the essentials on your list that I randomly picked. In which I noticed "you" passed over without confronting or addressing. Among other questions I asked on post #92

But here it's the case that there are indeed basics that virtually all Protestant denominations agree upon and have done so since the Reformation.
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Really? Well, Baptism and the sacraments are on your "basics" list. Shouldn't "virtually all Protestant denominations" agree on these? Well, again, as I stated on post #92 that's not the case at all. Many Protestant denominations can't even agree on Baptism by sprinkling? Immersion? Infant? Adult? Sacrament? Ordinance? or in Jesus’ name only? And as far as the sacraments.....many Protestant denominations can't even agree on how many sacraments there are? Or is there even such a thing as sacraments? This is only two examples of essentials from your list where various Protestant churches/sects do not agree on them.

. I listed some of them for you.
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Which will be listed and debated if I decide to start a thread on Protestant essentials/non-essentials.

Have a Blessed day!
 
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Fidelibus said:
With a list of what "you" thought were the essentials the different Protestant denominations have in common on post #76. Which brings to question, where did you get this list?
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Oh please. Anyone who knows the first thing about the Protestant Reformation could make a similar list, so obvious are the items I cited.

It's like being asked for some characteristics of the Roman Catholic Church and replying that it has a Pope and seven sacraments.
 
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Ha-ha..... Deflection, plain, simple, and obvious.
 
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First, you seem to ignore that we are discussing traditional Protestant DENOMINATIONS, not all those fellowships where there is no hierarchy or acceptance of the Church.

With regard to sacraments, there are two essential ones: baptism and the eucharist (including the real presence of Jesus). It isn't essential whether we call marriage or holy orders a sacrament. The Anglicans probably have a protocol that all could accept: 2 major sacraments and 5 minor ones.

 
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mark46 said:
The Anglicans probably have a protocol that all could accept: 2 major sacraments and 5 minor ones.
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I would be interested in how You distinguish between major and minor sacraments.
 
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I would be interested in how You distinguish between major and minor sacraments.
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There are 7 sacraments. I believe all traditional Christians agree. As the Anglicans have suggested are not at the same importance, but still are sacraments. I agree.
 
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mark46 said:
There are 7 sacraments. I believe all traditional Christians agree. As the Anglicans have suggested are not at the same importance, but still are sacraments. I agree.
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could you define "importance"?
 
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concretecamper said:
could you define "importance"?
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I have no personal definition. You are certainly free to believe that last rites, marriage and holy orders are as important as eucharist and baptism. You can even look through the writings of the Church Fathers and saints. As Catholics, we don't distinguish. That does NOT mean the eucharist and baptism aren't more important.
 
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concretecamper said:
could you define "importance"?
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I do NOT believe that all doctrines are equal. Do you? Do you believe that the Eucharist and baptism are more important than the other sacraments?
 
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mark46 said:
I do NOT believe that all doctrines are equal. Do you? Do you believe that the Eucharist and baptism are more important than the other sacraments?
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Objectively, from the Catholic perspective, to cite one example, baptism is believed to be essential to salvation, washing away the stain of original sin. Therefore, all Catholic must be baptized to be saved. OTOH, marriage is not viewed as salvific. Many Catholic, including the vast majority of priests, never get married and yet still can be saved despite the fact that they have not participated in this sacrament.

Thus, it is self-evident that baptism is of greater importance than marriage, as a sacrament.
 
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mark46 said:
I do NOT believe that all doctrines are equal. Do you? Do you believe that the Eucharist and baptism are more important than the other sacraments?
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Well, they're the ONLY sacraments, so I guess the answer has to be "yes."

That said, those others that often are called sacraments, such as reconciliation and confirmation, while important in the life of the church and its members, were not ordained by Christ and do not have the required physical elements that convey a spiritual meaning as do the two sacraments of the Gospel. Sooo...if we take this under consideration, the answer is still "yes."
 
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mark46 said:
Do you believe that the Eucharist and baptism are more important than the other sacraments?
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I think any of the 7 Sacraments instituted by Christ are important becasue the dispense Sanctifying Grace. If you in your wisdom can discern degree of importance for yourself, great.
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marriage is not viewed as salvific
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WRONG. In the Church, the Vocation of marriage is expressly to get your spouse to Heaven.
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Many Catholic, including the vast majority of priests, never get married and yet still can be saved despite the fact that they have not participated in this sacrament.
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this statement expresses a thwarted view of vocations. Everyone is called to a different vocation, for the purpose of being saved.
 
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So, how many Catholics get to heaven without baptism? How many Catholics get to heaven without being married?
 
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