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My point is, the idea of hell is ridiculous. And for crying out loud, Dante's Inferno (aka the Divine COMEDY) is NOT scripture, even a filthy atheist like myself knows that.
Also didn't the pope nix limbo (or was that another imaginary realm)? The reason you see it as a silly question is because the very idea of people being sent to different planes upon death is absurd.
Many Chrisitians believe that non-believers go to hell. Aristotle was born before Christ and was therefore a non-believer. Is one of the fathers of western ethical philosophy (and one of the greatest influences on so-called Christian values) in hell? If not, why not, since God's law is immutable?
Hebrews 11 says that Abraham, and all the other examples used in that chapter who were born before Christ, were saved by their faith. If Aristotle had faith, he's in heaven. But how are any of us to know one way or the other?
More that I can't believe an intelligent person would truly believe in that. *shrug* And before you get too irate, it's often the obnoxious religionists that ram the threat of eternal damnation down people's throats which provoke reactions such as mine.Okay Pete. You've convinced me. There is no hell. Would it make you happy to hear me say that? Do you get something from criticizing people's beliefs? Does it make you feel good?
More that I can't believe an intelligent person would truly believe in that. *shrug* And before you get too irate, it's often the obnoxious religionists that ram the threat of eternal damnation down people's throats which provoke reactions such as mine.
Intelligent people would never believe that a soul may be condemned to hell if it has led an impure life?
Why?
jmvervillIntelligent people would never believe that a soul may be condemned to hell if it has led an impure life?
Why?
Do you know what hell is? If you do, please let us all know as Christians have been in grave disagreement about it since the advent of Theology. We could use whatever help you can provide in offering descriptions thereof.
Intelligent people would never believe that a soul may be condemned to hell if it has led an impure life?
Do you know what hell is? If you do, please let us all know as Christians have been in grave disagreement about it since the advent of Theology. We could use whatever help you can provide in offering descriptions thereof.
Intelligent people would never believe that a soul may be condemned to hell if it has led an impure life?
Do you know what hell is? If you do, please let us all know as Christians have been in grave disagreement about it since the advent of Theology. We could use whatever help you can provide in offering descriptions thereof.
Aristotle didn't have faith in your god, he had faith in the Greek pantheon, if anyone.
Dante is not scripture, but Dante was as free to speculate on people's eternal fate as any other Christian. His guess is as good as that of any of the posters here.My point is, the idea of hell is ridiculous. And for crying out loud, Dante's Inferno (aka the Divine COMEDY) is NOT scripture, even a filthy atheist like myself knows that.
Also didn't the pope nix limbo (or was that another imaginary realm)? The reason you see it as a silly question is because the very idea of people being sent to different planes upon death is absurd.
if that's so, then I say Aristotle is like Elvis... living in hiding. lolDante is not scripture, but Dante was as free to speculate on people's eternal fate as any other Christian. His guess is as good as that of any of the posters here.
Hebrews 11 says that Abraham, and all the other examples used in that chapter who were born before Christ, were saved by their faith. If Aristotle had faith, he's in heaven. But how are any of us to know one way or the other?
Aristotle deduced one god from creation and his own mind.Aristotle didn't have faith in your god, he had faith in the Greek pantheon, if anyone.
logically? that since baptism only was important post crucifixion that his lack of baptism is moot. The Christian baptism is an identification with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Jewish baptism was an outward sign of repentance (aristotle was not a Jew and was not under Jewish law... i.e. this does not apply to him either). SO... in my mind (this is just supposition and in no way reflects me saying YES he is or NO he is not) belief in one God as evidenced in nature would indicate to me that he, like Abraham, was saved by his faith. But that's just me.Aristotle deduced one god from creation and his own mind.
Aquinas and many other Doctors of the Church thought he was largely correct.
What could we logically deduce from that?
Dante consigned him to Inferno, rather than Paradiso, because of not being baptized, not because of his beliefs.
I can only make assumptions. As each man is allotted his own measure of faith, I'd have to assume that included Aristotle, you and even me. The only difference I can see is that we are told Abraham was visited by God (God came and said "hey, this is me"). We do not know one way or the other with Aristotle.Do you think a philosophical deduction of one god is functionally equivalent to Abraham's faith?
To what degree does faith consist in holding correct opinions?
I can only make assumptions. As each man is allotted his own measure of faith, I'd have to assume that included Aristotle, you and even me. The only difference I can see is that we are told Abraham was visited by God (God came and said "hey, this is me"). We do not know one way or the other with Aristotle.
As for faith being somehow related to being correct? Faith and correct don't function on the same level of reference. One is the evidence of things unseen. Correct implies the ability to discern (hence seen). But that's just my take.
Does that mean anyone before Christ who did not receive a personal visitation like these individuals is SOL?It begs the question, "faith in what?"
Abraham's faith was in the God of the Bible. He knew him, he trusted him, he screwed up a lot but ultimately he believed and was rewarded for it.
I don't know that simply believing there is a God is enough. I certainly don't think it's on the same level as the faith and knowledge in God that Abraham, Moses, Noah, et. al. had.
If your last statement is true we're all going to hell. This is why I don't like Christians who preach "this is the ONLY truth and the ONLY way and the ONLY life". They're the ones who also preach "I" can show you the way (which is utterly false).With all the writing he did, it would surprise me if he had such an epiphany, believed it, and never wrote about it or taught about it, so as to leave no record of it. In fact, based on Aristotle's writing about god, I don't think Aristotle believed his god could communicate with humans.
Hey. You asked me to suppose. I did.
You may be right. But I've seen plenty of posts by Christians indicating in very urgent terms that one's eternal salvation is endangered by incorrect theological opinions. Would you disagree with this?
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