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Hello,
I stumbled upon this forum while looking for support sites and figured I'd investigate it further because my "faith" was one of the earliest casualties of my diagnosis.

To provide you with a little background, I grew up in a home that "played along" with being Christian, but ended up being "emotionally abusive" (to quote one of my therapists). My Grandmother frequently displayed many of the symptoms of BiPolar disorder (including suffering randomly lashing out at everyone in site) while my mother displayed all the symptoms of a Narcissistic Personality Disorder who liked to use us children in her attacks on my father. Regardless, I remained active in church, bible studies, etc, which seemed to help with my bouts of depression.

The second half of my teenage years is when things started to go seriously wrong for me. Aside from the increasingly severe mood swings from depression, to extreme anger and aggression, to general well being and happiness (which were written off as being normal, being imagined, or being the fault of one of my parents, depending on who I asked), towards the end of High School I started to occasionally hear voices when I prayed. Rather than bring me to a Doctor, my parents and fellow paritioners who heard of it all said i should talk to the Pastor (who suggested maybe God really was responding to me).

Very quickly after that, the "voice", when I heard it, turned negative and began telling me that I "needed to suffer" and "was bringing pain to everyone I knew", and I developed the sensation that something was "crawling around in my brain". I turned to cutting myself to "relieve the pressure" and cover it up as an accident or burn. Back to the pastor and church / bible study who then suggested that I was "being oppressed by a demon" and that I should "keep praying and reading the bible". As my faith began to completely collapse, I was told that I was "like the seed sown in stony places". After that I attempted suicide, somehow survived and managed to drag myself to the campus medical center where I promptly collapsed, but got medical attention from some EMT's who had arrived to respond to another suicide on campus.

After a few visits with the psychiatrist and therapists, I was diagnosed with Bipolar Type II (with psychotic symptoms), Paranoid Personality Disorder, General Anxiety Disorder, and Intermittent Explosive Disorder. Fast Forward 11 years and I'm still in one piece with the help of five different medications. I still deal with the severe depression and strong suicidal ideation, and recently the "voice" has returned,this time telling me that I "needed to die to ease the pain of all those around" me.

In the months that followed, after developing a deeper understanding of just what I was delaing with, I grew angry with all those I had approached for help previously. This anger was only compounded by some of them insisting that "its all made up" or again that "its a demon I failed to free myself from". The worst for me were the ones who proclaimed that "its a test" or "God would not give you more than you can bear". Soon after this, I proclaimed that "God is Dead", and walked away for years.

From a therapy point of view, the enduring legacy of my little "adventure" is all of the anger that remains. I am still angry at all the players in that scenario: myself for not "breaking rank" and pushing for medical help, the church and all its members for their arrogance, my family for their continued denial, and God (last but not least). My mountain never moved when I commanded it to, my burden got heavier and heavier no matter how many times I tried to give it to him, and in the end, for all of my crying out, all I got was a voice telling me I'm "better off dead".

Since then, I have not been able to walk into a Church or read a Bible without becoming visibly angry and agitated. When doing some of the word association exercises intherapy, my response to the word God was immediatly "Betrayal". It was only recently that an old friend of mine suggested that maybe I was still angry because some part of me "wanted some part of that faith back".

I think in the end, my question is "What does God honestly expect from me?"
 

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I am so glad you are here. We have some similar stories to tell here, but they are our own. I am so sorry for the pain you have been through. I hope you stay aroudn here as you explore your questions about you, your illness, and God.

This is where I have ended up.

I have an illness. Just like other's have diabetes or heart disease or cancer or dementia. To me it is a part of a fallen world that I live in where the creation (including our DNA) is degrading each generation. I take medicines like others take medicines. My illness just happens to effect my brain and thus my thinking. God did not give me this illness, but He is with me through it.

I have had those in the church who have told me I have unrepented sin in my life, I could not be a real Christian if I am depressed, demon etc. Yeah, we as men do not do the greatest job of helping others sometimes. But I judge God not by men and their definition of God; and not by my illness and the impact it has on my thinking.

That is where I am at on my journey. I truly do hope you hang around and get to know us. I have found this a very supportive and understanding place.
 
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Thanks Alive Again,
I was wondering if anyone had any tips for dealing with the depression? I've been cycling in and out of depression since April and the levels of anti-depressants and anti-psychotics we're using to keep me functional (and less suicidal) are now possibly triggering hypomanic episodes.

Thanks.
 
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> I was wondering if anyone had any tips for dealing with the depression?

As Alive Again said, we each have our own stories. For me, I struggled the most with depression when I was overmedicated (3 years ago). Once I got a second opinion (he told me he sees overmedicating a lot) and reduced my meds, it took the edge off. It used to be I'd wake up feeling like I wanted to cry in the morning. Now it feels like I'm taking what I need to, and no more.

The other side for me has been to stay in God's word, every day. The Lord has encouraged me in many ways through it - especially in times when I was questioning whether He was still with me or not. His faithfulness has gotten me through every trial. Other people can and will fail us; God does not.

I had a lot of problems with anger, too, including at the Lord. He's been helping me with that as well.
 
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Thanks Michael714. My Dr. increased my dosage of Seroquel a few weeks ago after we discussed my symptoms and that has gotten me back on an "even-keel".

Has anyone read anything by Philip Yancey? The descriptions of some of his books caught my interest when I stumbled upon them on Amazon.com and wanted to see if anyone had read his works and found them helpful?
 
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Here is a great perscription from God's Omnipotent Word:Isaiah 54:17 (KJV) No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.I'm bi-polar/ADD/OCD myself!! I believe if you will meditate on this verse everyday,while at the same time holding the Holy Bible gently or tightly against your heart!!! You will see amazing result's!! Hallelujah...Ephesians 6:17 (KJV) And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:Revelation 19:13 (KJV) And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. In Jesus name i pray this Amen!!!

SeraphimsCherub,
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Thanks Alive Again,
I was wondering if anyone had any tips for dealing with the depression? I've been cycling in and out of depression since April and the levels of anti-depressants and anti-psychotics we're using to keep me functional (and less suicidal) are now possibly triggering hypomanic episodes.

Thanks.

I'll tell you the best drug you can take! It's called cry out to Jesus,and ask Him to heal you! What else do you have to loose! Jesus Loves you just as you are!! He is just waiting for your call,and as soon as you do! He will heal you by His Spirit! Ask Him into your heart, that's His favorite place to live! He loves you,and thats really all that matter's!! Lord i pray an Almighty Healing of Your Holy Spirit upon my friend here, in Christ Jesus Name i pray this Amen!!!!!!!!

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Thanks SC,
I'm actually talking with God more fequently these days; being able to block out all the clutter in my head with the anti-psychotics has presented me with a chance to actually listen for his responses for possibly the first time in my adult life. :)
 
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Ok Sinkingship, I'm reading your story and its a painful one.

It seems you have come a far way since you first posted this. What I seem to get from you is what I notice with a lot of people who grow up in church, who 'play christian' but don't really know who Jesus is!

Ask Jesus to heal you. Ask him for help. Ask for his protection and to release you from these voices. When you were with this church, did these elders pray for you? Or did they expect you to just go it alone and pray for yourself?
You can't do this on your own, it's Jesus who will help you.
What God wants from all of us is for us to love him and depend on him. Satan would do everything he can to destroy that trust, and that includes telling you these evil lies when you try to pray. But you know these are lies! Arm yourself with the truth.

Have you tried deliverance ministry? There are some books on spiritual warfare and what do in these cases. These people in church were well meaning but it seems like you never experienced the love or fruits of the spirits in your church, or deliverance. I am not an expert but a book that helped me was 'the bondage breaker' and 'a beginner's guide to spiritual warfare' by NT Anderson.

If you can't read the bible, ease into it by reading some books by people who's lives have been changed by Jesus. Philip Yancey's books are good, they'll help you grow in faith because he writes about people and their own experiences with God. Sometimes it's hard to ask people about their relationship with God, even in some churches where people are expected to behave a certain way or because they want to be respectable rather than they go there because they really are hungry for God. You can forgive these people and God will forgive you. He really wants to call you his own.

Why is this happening? You've talked about your family background. Satan thinks he has rights to you because of how he afflicted your parents. But you are God's child. You don't have to be kept in bondage. I don't know where you are at at the moment but from what I can tell stick with God and he'll stick by you.

Acts 10:38 says How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

2 Corinthians 10-11 Pauls says
When you forgive people for what they have done, I forgive them too. For when I forgive- if, indeed, I need to forgive anything - I do it in Christ's prescence because of you, in order to keep Satan from getting the upper hand over us; for we know what his plans are.

I am not against meds helping people get some relief from these harassing voices. But make no mistake, it is a spritual battle and learning how to fight these voices will ultimately help us because when we are free in Christ, we are free indeed.
 
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