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Regarding the red, you need to answer the simple question -- do you think we cease being a member of the body of Christ once we're in heaven?
If you do, you need to provide the scriptural evidence that this is so.
If you don't, you need to provide the scriptural evidence that those in heaven no longer function as parts of the body, as defined in Scripture.
Regarding the 'omniscience' argument -- that is a straw man. Once in heaven -- a saint no longer has ears or a mouth -- so do you conclude that they can no longer communicate? Or has God provided them another way to do so? And if so, why would you assume they are limited as we are in an earth-bound body? To be able to be aware of more than we are because they are not limited to an earth bound body -- this does not make them 'omniscient' in any way, shape or form.
I said for me it's anywhere you might go to show respect or honor for her. Not to worship her. I have never seen an actual altar of any kind for Mary.
1 Corinthians: 12-26 The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free--and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. If they were all one part, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, but one body. The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!" On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.Excuse me. You are attempting to draw me into another discussion which is proceeding quite well without my input.
It was you who asserted that Mary actively hears us and cares for us and that the Bible clearly shows these truths. I have simply asked you to provide biblical citations for your allegations. In your first response you provided a theological context for your understanding, but no direct biblical citations and in your second response you have attempted to steer the discussion onto another topic in this thread,
Once again, I sincerely and politely ask you to provide the biblical references for your initial statement.
Wow I have never seen this.. So they really do have an alter set up for Mary?I have seen many altars dedicated to Mary. Many cathedrals have small chapels off of the apse (where the main altar is located) of which one is usually dedicated to Mary and there is an altar there. At the altar people light candles and pray to Mary. As well, priests offer masses in the chapel at the altars.
Deistic identity is not suggesting a level of deity it's a conversation as to why she has by many NOT in the know, been identified as such, and the truth is building alters to any other than God sure helps mold that image in the minds of the unstudied, one need not look any further than a place like Lima Peru or most areas of SA.Regarding discussion here...here's the posted Forum Guidelines for Mariology.
Forum-specific guidelines:
Threads started for the sole purpose of making accusations or insinuations that a group of Christians commit idolatry, raise Mary to the level of a deity, or are advancing to such an end, are not in keeping with the purpose of this forum. Threads started for the sole purpose of accusing a group of Christians of disrespecting Mary are likewise not in keeping with the purpose of this forum. Threads not in keeping with the purpose of the forum will be closed or deleted at staff discretion.
Posts that make such accusations also may be reported and acted upon.
This thread was started for the sole purpose of making insinuations that a group of Christians raise Mary to the level of a deity.
Therefore no, just cause this forum is in General Theology doesn't mean people can come here and say whatever they want.
Thanks a favorite of mine as well, it's a good reminder as well to what He committed us to do.I love your signature, by the way! The verse about Jesus actually becoming sin on our behalf has always absolutely amazed me. Wow....! He who is GOD, became sin...unimaginable. How beautiful Jesus is!!!
Deistic identity is not suggesting a level of deity it's a conversation as to why she has by many NOT in the know, been identified as such, and the truth is building alters to any other than God sure helps mold that image in the minds of the unstudied, one need not look any further than a place like Lima Peru or most areas of SA.
In Lima, Peru like many SA countries the Incas had Roman catholicism essentially forced on them creating a blend of religions therefore they began to worship Mary as the "mother earth".
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