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Yes I believe that it is when done to humble yourselves to a person. We see in the NT scriptures that this was not accepted.. Not by the Apostles nor even the angels..
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Yes I believe that it is when done to humble yourselves to a person. We see in the NT scriptures that this was not accepted.. Not by the Apostles nor even the angels..Good, so you agree that bowing down is not the same as worship.
Yes I believe that it is when done to humble yourselves to a person. We see in the NT scriptures that this was not accepted.. Not by the Apostles nor even the angels..
I honour Marys memory when I read scripture about her to our Sunday school or teach about her to anyone or the fact that she's even remembered is honoring but what I see in some Cataholic and Orthodox churches is clearly worshipYes you are a co-redeemer but you were not chosen by the Father to bear His Son. You did not carry everything that is God with in yourself. You have no such honor.
so your saying Mary was Christs wife like eve was Adams? was she His Birth mom or and um uhSin was brough into the world through man and woman. Adam and Eve. Likewise Salvation entered into the world through man and woman.
your right its very simple and obviousYour reading way more into my post that's there about Mary being the new eve.
if it looks like a duck walks like a duck a quacks like a duck it must be worshipGiving honor where honor is due, bowing and praying does not mean worship.
this is a different can of worms so I will simply answerAnd don't you realize that He did not have to be born of a woman and take on humanity for us and die a horrible death for us?
Don't you realize that's where the miracle of God's grace is?
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was honor due to the angel that john tried to worship in rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.And the Scriptures also say to give honor where honor is due.
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are you saying God is incapable of bringing a a Human FROM an animal?If Jesus had come from the womb of a kangaroo, we would not be saved, because Jesus would not be human like us. He would have an animal nature and a divine nature.
what about the vegetables that sounds racistsAnimals would be saved, but not humans.
correction : Jesus created His humanity through Mary. you see we have this little warning in the beginning of Romans that shows man worshiping the created rather than the creator and God doesnt like that I tend to take that seriouslyJesus received His humanity from Mary.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaAs Lionroar said, bowing is not worship.
first of all if anybody ever sees me curtsey and blow a kiss to anyone I give you permission to kick my ass, Ive never bowed to politician of any sort if that's what you mean Because I recognise and they should too that any Authority that they may have is from God.When a performer bows or curtseys to the audience and blows a kiss at them, is the performer worshiping his audience? If you bow to royalty or to the primary authority of your country, are you worshiping that person? "Pray" simply means to ask, and we ask the saints to intercede with God for us, and we pray to God ourselves as well. It's just like asking others to pray for you. They are just members of our prayer chain.
The word originally had a broad meaning of being worthy and until recently we (in England anyway) used to address a judge or a mayor as “your worship”.From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Detail from Religion, Charles Sprague Pearce (1896). Library of Congress Thomas Jefferson Building, Washington, D.C.Worship usually refers to specific acts of religious devotion, typically directed to one or more deities. It is the informal term in English for what sociologists of religion call cultus, the body of practices and traditions that correspond to theology.
Religious worship may be performed individually, within informal groups, or as part of a formal meeting. It occurs in a variety of locations including houses, in rented venues, outdoors, or in buildings specially constructed for the purpose, referred to as places of worship. Most religions place an emphasis on regular worship and many organise meetings for this purpose at frequent intervals (often weekly).
In its older sense in the English language of worthiness or respect (Anglo-Saxon worthscripe), worship may sometimes refer to actions directed at members of higher social classes (such as lords or monarchs) or to particularly esteemed persons
websters says
Etymology: Middle English worshipe worthiness, respect, reverence paid to a divine being, from Old English weorthscipe worthiness, respect, from weorth worthy, worth + -scipe -ship
that is a perfect example of how man messes up something reserved for God. thank our Lord for His Grace. remember becouse something is old doesnt make it rightThe word originally had a broad meaning of being worthy and until recently we (in England anyway) used to address a judge or a mayor as your worship.
The old version of the anglican marriage service used until relatively recently (and I think still used by some) contains the phrase "with my body I thee worship".
So worship generally is just honouring. It is only relatively recently that protestants have narrowed the word to relate to God alone.
acts 14:14-18 and then as I posted b-4 Rev 19:10 and I think theres more but Im to lazy to find all of them
that is a perfect example of how man messes up something reserved for God. thank our Lord for His Grace. remember becouse something is old doesnt make it right
bowing is a form of self sacrificeActs 14:14-18. They were trying to treat Paul; and Barnabus as gods and wanted to sacrifice to them I hope you are not saying that Catholics treat Mary as a god and sacrifice to her. The situation comes nowhere near proving your point.
Rev 19:10
"Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, You must not do that! I am a fellow servant."
Catholics get tired of saying that we do not worship Mary. Bowing is not worship, it is giving honour. Even MamaZ accepts that.
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I dont get your point God alone is worthy yet people are worshiping mary's lifeless statueYou have the cart before the horse here.
The word worship comes from the anglo saxon
O.E. worðscip, wurðscip (Anglian), weorðscipe (W.Saxon) "condition of being worthy, honor, renown," from weorð "worthy" (see worth) + -scipe (see -ship). Sense of "reverence paid to a supernatural or divine being" is first recorded c.1300. The original sense is preserved in the title worshipful (c.1300). The verb is recorded from c.1200. (from the Online Entymology Dictionary)
It is protestants, in recent times, who have started redefining the word to apply to God alone.
God does not answer prayers based on who is praying.
No one bows to the statues, the statues are just visual reminders...we bow to the Saints they represent out of respect for them.
This isn't worship, because worship is something that comes from the heart, it's not just an action. (wouldn't you agree that if someone bows to God but has no love for Him, that's not real worship?) It's the intention that separates worship from veneration. When we bow to Mary our intention is to show her respect, because she is the Mother of God. When we bow to Christ, our intention is to worship Him. During Mass, we kneel before Christ.
the Bible says that the prayer of a righteous man avails much.
No one bows to the statues, the statues are just visual reminders...we bow to the Saints they represent out of respect for them.
This isn't worship, because worship is something that comes from the heart, it's not just an action. (wouldn't you agree that if someone bows to God but has no love for Him, that's not real worship?) It's the intention that separates worship from veneration. When we bow to Mary our intention is to show her respect, because she is the Mother of God. When we bow to Christ, our intention is to worship Him. During Mass, we kneel before Christ.
the Bible says that the prayer of a righteous man avails much.
No one bows to the statues,
where do you get the Idea that bowing to a saint isn't a sinthe statues are just visual reminders...we bow to the Saints they represent out of respect for them.
so in the same line of thinking an adulterer isn't really sinning if his heart isn't in itThis isn't worship, because worship is something that comes from the heart, it's not just an action. (wouldn't you agree that if someone bows to God but has no love for Him, that's not real worship?) It's the intention that separates worship from veneration.
so by your own admission you do the same actions to Christ and Marys statues wich are man made (graven) images but the difference is your heart. OK if your heart is right there is a difference but what is to be said for all those who youve stumbled into worshiping graven images out of following your example besides I believe if your heart was right you wouldnt come so close to doing anything that is bowing before anything but the King of KingsWhen we bow to Mary our intention is to show her respect, because she is the Mother of God. When we bow to Christ, our intention is to worship Him. During Mass, we kneel before Christ.
where do you get the Idea that bowing to a saint isn't a sin
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