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<blockquote data-quote="USincognito" data-source="post: 59492454" data-attributes="member: 21511"><p><span style="color: blue">What disconnect from reality must one suffer to effuse such smug arrogance inspite of being shown repeatedly that one is little more than a joke?</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: blue">From the closed "what proof" thread:</span></p><p>Post 916</p><p>Paranthropus as ancestors of gorilla, have been reached by at least two other biologists, independently: the author of the "Paranthropus aethiopicus" page of the "Online Biology Dictionary" and Richard Dawkins in his book "The Ancestor's Tale". According to this theory, chimps and bonobos are descended from Australopithecus gracile type species while gorillas are descended from Paranthropus robustus P. boisei or P. aethiopicus. These apes may have once been bipedal, but then lost this ability when they were forced back into an arboreal habitat, presumably by those australopithecines who eventually became us. In short, the ancestors of chimpanzees and gorillas are A. afarensis and Paranthropus, respectively.</p><p></p><p>Post 918</p><p>Mainstream views on Australopithecines evolution can be found in the "human evolution" page, but similar conclusions, suggesting Paranthropus as ancestors of gorilla, have been reached by at least two other biologists, independently: the author of the "Paranthropus aethiopicus" page of the "Online Biology Dictionary" and Richard Dawkins in his book "The Ancestor's Tale". According to this theory, chimps and bonobos are descended from Australopithecus gracile type species while gorillas are descended from Paranthropus robustus P. boisei or P. aethiopicus. These apes may have once been bipedal, but then lost this ability when they were forced back into an arboreal habitat, presumably by those australopithecines who eventually became us. In short, the ancestors of chimpanzees and gorillas are A. afarensis and Paranthropus, respectively.</p><p></p><p>Post 920</p><p>Richard Dawkins in his book "The Ancestor's Tale". According to this theory, chimps and bonobos are descended from Australopithecus gracile type species while gorillas are descended from Paranthropus robustus P. boisei or P. aethiopicus. These apes may have once been bipedal, but then lost this ability when they were forced back into an arboreal habitat, presumably by those australopithecines who eventually became us. In short, the ancestors of chimpanzees and gorillas are A. afarensis and Paranthropus, respectively.</p><p>----------------------------</p><p><span style="color: blue">For anyone interested in following Astrid'd train wreck, here's the Wiki article she's repeatedly referencing.</span></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominine#Evolution" target="_blank">Homininae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a></p><p><span style="color: blue">Note that there's no references for the section she repeatedly posts to support her contention.</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: blue">In post 930 I explain that to her, along with noting the fact that I'm familiar with The Ancestor's Tale while she clearly is not.</span></p><p></p><p>"The article does not say Australopithecines are chimps or the ancestors of chimps. The article is saying that two strains of hominids - gracile and robust evolved into the various species we find today and in the fossil record. The existance of robust hominids has been known for 50+ years and the question has been - were the robust species a separate lineage or did they evolve independantly from gracile species. The entry writes - without citation I'll note - that:</p><p></p><p>...conclusions, suggesting Paranthropus as ancestors of gorilla, have been reached by at least two other biologists, independently</p><p></p><p>Paranthropus is an ancestor of modern gorillas. Of course there's no citation so this could be someone making stuff up. Now, if we look at the entry for Paranthropus itself, there is a citation for page 86 of The Ancestor's Tale.</p><p></p><p>""as usual their affinities, and the exact number of species, are hotly disputed. Names that have been attached to various of these creatures...are Australopithecus (or Paranthropus) robustus, Australopithecus (or Paranthropus or Zinjanthropus) boisei, and Australopithecus (or Paranthropus) aethiopicus."</p><p></p><p>And if you go to the text itself, you find exactly the same thing, just a listing of robust Australopithecines paired with the Paranthropus genus name. There's no indication that they evolved into gorillas. Even worse for the Wiki entry and your bogus claim, page 86 is in the Rendezvous 0 section of the book that exclusively covers hominina, which are non-Chimpanzee homininis. Chimpanzees are included in Rendezvous 1, gorillas in Rendezvous 2.</p><p></p><p>Anyone familiar with the book would realize that someone claiming Dawkins considers robust Australopithecines are the ancestors of gorillas or that gracile Australopithecines (guess what sport, Lucy is in the Rendezvous 0 section under the Ape Men chapter - Whoooops!) are the ancestors of chimpanzees not only is unfamiliar with him or the book, but doesn't know what the heck they're talking about."</p><p></p><p><span style="color: blue">Now, keep this particular focus on The Ancstor's Tale in mind as I continue in subsequent posts.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="USincognito, post: 59492454, member: 21511"] [color=blue]What disconnect from reality must one suffer to effuse such smug arrogance inspite of being shown repeatedly that one is little more than a joke? From the closed "what proof" thread:[/color] Post 916 Paranthropus as ancestors of gorilla, have been reached by at least two other biologists, independently: the author of the "Paranthropus aethiopicus" page of the "Online Biology Dictionary" and Richard Dawkins in his book "The Ancestor's Tale". According to this theory, chimps and bonobos are descended from Australopithecus gracile type species while gorillas are descended from Paranthropus robustus P. boisei or P. aethiopicus. These apes may have once been bipedal, but then lost this ability when they were forced back into an arboreal habitat, presumably by those australopithecines who eventually became us. In short, the ancestors of chimpanzees and gorillas are A. afarensis and Paranthropus, respectively. Post 918 Mainstream views on Australopithecines evolution can be found in the "human evolution" page, but similar conclusions, suggesting Paranthropus as ancestors of gorilla, have been reached by at least two other biologists, independently: the author of the "Paranthropus aethiopicus" page of the "Online Biology Dictionary" and Richard Dawkins in his book "The Ancestor's Tale". According to this theory, chimps and bonobos are descended from Australopithecus gracile type species while gorillas are descended from Paranthropus robustus P. boisei or P. aethiopicus. These apes may have once been bipedal, but then lost this ability when they were forced back into an arboreal habitat, presumably by those australopithecines who eventually became us. In short, the ancestors of chimpanzees and gorillas are A. afarensis and Paranthropus, respectively. Post 920 Richard Dawkins in his book "The Ancestor's Tale". According to this theory, chimps and bonobos are descended from Australopithecus gracile type species while gorillas are descended from Paranthropus robustus P. boisei or P. aethiopicus. These apes may have once been bipedal, but then lost this ability when they were forced back into an arboreal habitat, presumably by those australopithecines who eventually became us. In short, the ancestors of chimpanzees and gorillas are A. afarensis and Paranthropus, respectively. ---------------------------- [color=blue]For anyone interested in following Astrid'd train wreck, here's the Wiki article she's repeatedly referencing.[/color] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominine#Evolution]Homininae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url] [color=blue]Note that there's no references for the section she repeatedly posts to support her contention. In post 930 I explain that to her, along with noting the fact that I'm familiar with The Ancestor's Tale while she clearly is not.[/color] "The article does not say Australopithecines are chimps or the ancestors of chimps. The article is saying that two strains of hominids - gracile and robust evolved into the various species we find today and in the fossil record. The existance of robust hominids has been known for 50+ years and the question has been - were the robust species a separate lineage or did they evolve independantly from gracile species. The entry writes - without citation I'll note - that: ...conclusions, suggesting Paranthropus as ancestors of gorilla, have been reached by at least two other biologists, independently Paranthropus is an ancestor of modern gorillas. Of course there's no citation so this could be someone making stuff up. Now, if we look at the entry for Paranthropus itself, there is a citation for page 86 of The Ancestor's Tale. ""as usual their affinities, and the exact number of species, are hotly disputed. Names that have been attached to various of these creatures...are Australopithecus (or Paranthropus) robustus, Australopithecus (or Paranthropus or Zinjanthropus) boisei, and Australopithecus (or Paranthropus) aethiopicus." And if you go to the text itself, you find exactly the same thing, just a listing of robust Australopithecines paired with the Paranthropus genus name. There's no indication that they evolved into gorillas. Even worse for the Wiki entry and your bogus claim, page 86 is in the Rendezvous 0 section of the book that exclusively covers hominina, which are non-Chimpanzee homininis. Chimpanzees are included in Rendezvous 1, gorillas in Rendezvous 2. Anyone familiar with the book would realize that someone claiming Dawkins considers robust Australopithecines are the ancestors of gorillas or that gracile Australopithecines (guess what sport, Lucy is in the Rendezvous 0 section under the Ape Men chapter - Whoooops!) are the ancestors of chimpanzees not only is unfamiliar with him or the book, but doesn't know what the heck they're talking about." [color=blue]Now, keep this particular focus on The Ancstor's Tale in mind as I continue in subsequent posts.[/color] [/QUOTE]
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