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Creation & Evolution
Where is your evidence creationists?
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<blockquote data-quote="Davian" data-source="post: 59350393" data-attributes="member: 285427"><p>I find myself, as in my last post, delineating between 'universe' (the set including everything) and 'cosmos' (what we know of the current contents of the universe).</p><p></p><p>Which do you mean when you say 'universe'?</p><p></p><p>My point is, we have not established that the universe had a beginning, so one should avoid building on that premise. That is what you appear to be doing.</p><p></p><p>The term 'god' comes with a lot of baggage and presumptions.</p><p></p><p>What if whatever created the universe (or the instantiation of the cosmos) was no more complex or intelligent than say, a toaster oven? </p><p></p><p>Or it may just be the *appearance* of some creative intelligence at work, given the demonstrable predilection for humans to see patterns where there may be none.</p><p></p><p>I think of agnostic as 'it may be unknowable, or cannot be knowable' - it is not a fence-sitting position. </p><p> </p><p>Depends. What do you do with this 'god' that you believe exists? Does it offer any more explanatory power than theories or hypothesis that do not evoke deities?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Davian, post: 59350393, member: 285427"] I find myself, as in my last post, delineating between 'universe' (the set including everything) and 'cosmos' (what we know of the current contents of the universe). Which do you mean when you say 'universe'? My point is, we have not established that the universe had a beginning, so one should avoid building on that premise. That is what you appear to be doing. The term 'god' comes with a lot of baggage and presumptions. What if whatever created the universe (or the instantiation of the cosmos) was no more complex or intelligent than say, a toaster oven? Or it may just be the *appearance* of some creative intelligence at work, given the demonstrable predilection for humans to see patterns where there may be none. I think of agnostic as 'it may be unknowable, or cannot be knowable' - it is not a fence-sitting position. Depends. What do you do with this 'god' that you believe exists? Does it offer any more explanatory power than theories or hypothesis that do not evoke deities? [/QUOTE]
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