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Where is the unity among Christians

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So why are Christians so divided. I find some fellowship with some Christians on line. I find fellowship among my school, professors, and students. Online their seems to be nothing but division. You have people which get brave behind a keyboard, but that is the only place they are. So many times they are rude and offending saying things they would not dare if they were to be held accountable. i guess they forget God sees it.

In ever post I have done at least one person has argued against it, even a positive to post meant to be supportive, they post that they are not supportive, why not just not post. Why be negative in a positive post?

There are people on here who look through post to find something they disagree with and then say they disagree. i told a story reflecting Salvation, some one accused m,e of speaking against the Bible, and when I ask them to prove it with the word, they could not and ran from the post. In fact what I said was inline with the Bible, i suspect the person was jealous and has issues, or an anti christ (that being anyone who does not believe Jesus is Lord in their heart, he who denies the Father and son is anit christ, So I guess that is a true name for atheist).

It all seems petty, and I understand now why my school is pushing us to teach the mind of Christ, which is unity, selflessness and humbleness. In fact I need to work on this my self. The Bible passages from which this is taken is Philippians 2:1-11.

I have preached against gay marriage with few of my friends, yet others of my friends are gay. Funny but they are nicer people then many Christians I have met. Does this mean they are saved no, but one could question if the Christians who attack everyone are saved. I find it funny I posted something to men and women who serve, and they condemn Christian soldiers who fight because it goes against what Jesus taught. Yet these same people will attack a Christian Brother or sister, Is that not worse what they did, they say well we do not kill them, They are doing the same thing attacking people. They are hypocrites. 1 john 3:15 says 15 Anyone who hates another brother or sister[a] is really a murderer at heart. And you know that murderers don’t have eternal life within them.

which answered my question to another post I did, No A child of God can not hate another child of God.

And this proves a point, here I am talking about God and God just answered one of my questions by showing me 1 john. Someone suggested that God does not speak through His Children, maybe this is jealous if it is a child of God can not be jealous of another for how close he is to God. Their is no jealousy in Love, Cor 13. So what is your thought? Do you think God speaks through His children? But for the people who say no God does not, these are the same which like to argue with other Christians, they can't admit it because they would convict them selves of arguing against God. Let me clear that before some one attacks it. I am not saying arguing with a person is arguing with God. I am saying if God is speaking to you through a person and you argue you are arguing against God. So how do you know the difference? You have to Know the Bible. If some one is speaking in line with The word of God, they are speaking truth. What is another name for The Holy Spirit? The spirit of Truth. So it safe to say God is at least guiding them.

That is the problem, if you don't know the Bible well enough you find your self arguing against God. Does God children rebel against Him?

A rule on most forums is you can not call people out that they are not a Christian. In fact this seems to be the rule in the church as well. But Jesus said we would know the tree by its fruit. To many people have done much damage to Christians good name given to us by Jesus. Simply by claim they are a Christian and preaching false doctrine. Sure we know they are not Christians, but to non Christians they do not know they difference. We should call out those who preach false doctrine because if we do not no one else will and we will suffer for their crimes. In this world any way.

So getting back to my gay friends and that whole issue. I will still say being gay is a sin, which God has said, and I am against gay marriage, but you know what. I am against porn as well, and how women dress on Tv and in Movies. I am against the world selling sex. I am against video games with half naked women. i am against women going topless in new york as they now can after that law was passed. what is my point? It is all the same sin, sexual immorality. Maybe we need to focus on the whole picture instead of one piece of it such as gays. I had a friend no longer who was very liberal lives in New York, is all for gay marriage and women going topless, sees nothing wrong with it. He took his 4 year old daughter to a gay pride parade in New york afterwards he posted on facebook it was a mistake. he said have naked men were lap dancing on each other and dry humping each on with little more on that a G string. Women were all topless and not acting much better. he said he now had to explain these actions to his 4 year old daughter who did not understand. We stop being friends over this issue, and now he is mad for their behavior in front of his child. careful what you ask for.

Which brings me to my next point. The world is changing and becoming less friendly to children. We as adults in the 80's and even early 90's had things for adults and for children. We shielded are children from the world, now it is hard to find a family program on TV. There is almost full nudity on TV now, and swearing is common. Some things you could not say on the radio but since howard stern had sex with a woman on the radio the radio has gotten just as bad as TV if not worse.( a good Christian radio station is K love, Good modern day Christian music rock and pop, you can find them online and listen and also type in your location and they will give a station you can listen to them).

So how is this affecting our children, well look around you, and we say what is wrong with the youth. I got a better question what is wrong with the adults.

We need to speak out not just against the gays, but sexual immorality, this sin which includes many the Bible says is the starting point of a great fall of the people. It leads to all things wicked, and to death. If we cut out sex immorality the murders would cut way down, stealing, and all other sins. In fact do we think about stealing now days. i mean it is so common place we just know to lock are doors to the car and house, put thing valuable out of sight. Have the people just accepted this?

So as for me no longer am I saying I am against gay marriage. I think Christians need every chance to preach Gods word. I will say i am against all sexual immorality. Maybe then some one will immoral how? And I can say well here it is in the Bible. Paul said these people pay the price with in them selves. what did he mean. They are in hell with in them selves, unstable is another word he used. Trust me these people do not even know what happiness is. If they say they are it is an illusion like a drunk says he is happy, yeah why you getting drunk if your so happy?

satan means adversary . I will expose everything I see him doing as long as God gives me strength. God protects me. Most people do not want to follow evil, but are deceived in to think they are doing right. We all as Christians should expose all deceit. This is shining the Light of Truth on the darkness. The Spirit Of Truth is The Holy Spirit. So God is for us, then who can stand against us.

That's my rant

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my brother, this is nothing new in the church, it's been going on since the NT church came about and that's why scripture addresses it in several books. many times, those who are called out may seem like a brother in Christ when they aren't, which is also addressed in scripture in many parts. if it is a true brother, you seek him in private first, then take two or three, and if still no resolve you bring it before the church (going through this now at the moment). hold fast to God's truths and preach the bible. Jesus is clear, if you were of the world the world would love and if you are of Him the world will persecute you, but remember He was persecuted first and set our example
 
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my brother, this is nothing new in the church, it's been going on since the NT church came about and that's why scripture addresses it in several books. many times, those who are called out may seem like a brother in Christ when they aren't, which is also addressed in scripture in many parts. if it is a true brother, you seek him in private first, then take two or three, and if still no resolve you bring it before the church (going through this now at the moment). hold fast to God's truths and preach the bible. Jesus is clear, if you were of the world the world would love and if you are of Him the world will persecute you, but remember He was persecuted first and set our example

very true words.

The thing that gets me is I don't mind being hated for Christ, I have a great reward for that, and he went first for me. What bothers me is being Hated for things I am not and things I do not stand for all because a person simply does not understand. I understand that is the heart of evil's work, deceive the many. It is just frustrating.
 
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The church is generally full of Pharisees fighting over their pet issues. I guess that's what happen when Jesus calls his bride together as a bunch of imperfect people.

The Pharisees was never part of the bride to start with though.
 
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Amen,I think Satan dwells in Churches and among Christians,as his main goal.

Those in the flesh he has,those in Christ he wants to destroy.

As Mr Jim said even among same denominations,there is bickering.

We need bridge builders,who are patient enough to know others are in the body,even if they read the
Bible different.

I would love to see interdenomnational revivals,sings,and campmeetings .

I know one thing people would come to the Lord,during them.

We need another great awakening,a powerful call to the lost in every city and town.
 
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i find it is wonderful to have discourse with folks who have differing present perceptions of the doctrines of scripture based upon thier present relationship with the lord JESUS ..i also find it exciting when i come across others who have exactly the same present perception as my own and am amazed how we all got to where we are .

i don't view it as any kind of disunity unless folks speak certain words opposed to the truth of the lord JESUS.
if what others say offend us we explain our feelings and forgive them the offense ..if they do like wise .. unity remains

unity is not based -methinks- on continued doctrinal agreement ..but rather upon agreement that Jesus loves us and we love one another in him .. regardless of our differing doctrinal perceptions .

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Amen,I think Satan dwells in Churches and among Christians,as his main goal.

Those in the flesh he has,those in Christ he wants to destroy.

As Mr Jim said even among same denominations,there is bickering.

We need bridge builders,who are patient enough to know others are in the body,even if they read the
Bible different.

I would love to see interdenomnational revivals,sings,and campmeetings .

I know one thing people would come to the Lord,during them.

We need another great awakening,a powerful call to the lost in every city and town.

I would love to see interdenominational revivals

they are coming ..as it become obviously difficult to be in this world AND christian .. there will come a natural and spiritual dividing of the tares from the wheat all the denominational walls will crumble and we will be left with folks who love not their lives unto the death ... and folks who love their lives more then Jesus ... and there wont be any other denomination at all
 
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I was watching a African Man, who was shot in the head, at point blank range. He survived and he tells that Muslims came to where he worship and told him to denounce Christianity and live or refuse and die. He refused and they left him for dead, his testimony is one of a true Christian. This is not a isolated case many have been killed for the cause of Christ.

I believe Christians of USA is about to find out, what has been happening in Countries outside the USA, when our freedoms our taken away to worship. God is not mocked, the Sodom life styles, Murdering the innocent, sin being taken for granted and the consumer attitude of Christians. I am reminded of the Days of Noah
God came as a thief in the night, and the earth was destroyed. We know its coming? or do we, no hurry complacent, and the lord could come at anytime.

Christians need to unit and pray that their own families and love ones, Neighbors, Friends and the Lost our saved. Revival sounds like a start, I preach at a rescue mission I see life at the bottom of the Barrel and the hopeless, mentally Challenged and Lost souls. It can be heart breaking to see them Die lost and alone. That's seems to be the way the world is heading today. May God have mercy is my prayer.
 
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Christians need to unit and pray that their own families and love ones, Neighbors, Friends and the Lost our saved. Revival sounds like a start
until the entire gospel is preached it won't happen! too many preachers not preaching the truth due to being afraid they will lose their job for upsetting someone who does not agree with them. too many preachers worried about filling seats with warm bodies just to pay the bills. too many preachers worried more about numbers than discipleship. until preachers preach the truth and shepherd the flock according to scripture and not itching ears, it won't happen! for revival there must be truth, not half truth, and for there to be truth it must come from scripture, all of scripture, not just the parts that sound good
 
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I was watching a African Man, who was shot in the head, at point blank range. He survived and he tells that Muslims came to where he worship and told him to denounce Christianity and live or refuse and die. He refused and they left him for dead, his testimony is one of a true Christian. This is not a isolated case many have been killed for the cause of Christ.

I believe Christians of USA is about to find out, what has been happening in Countries outside the USA, when our freedoms our taken away to worship. God is not mocked, the Sodom life styles, Murdering the innocent, sin being taken for granted and the consumer attitude of Christians. I am reminded of the Days of Noah
God came as a thief in the night, and the earth was destroyed. We know its coming? or do we, no hurry complacent, and the lord could come at anytime.

Christians need to unit and pray that their own families and love ones, Neighbors, Friends and the Lost our saved. Revival sounds like a start, I preach at a rescue mission I see life at the bottom of the Barrel and the hopeless, mentally Challenged and Lost souls. It can be heart breaking to see them Die lost and alone. That's seems to be the way the world is heading today. May God have mercy is my prayer.

Amen
 
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I would love to see interdenominational revivals

they are coming ..as it become obviously difficult to be in this world AND christian .. there will come a natural and spiritual dividing of the tares from the wheat all the denominational walls will crumble and we will be left with folks who love not their lives unto the death ... and folks who love their lives more then Jesus ... and there wont be any other denomination at all

Amen,

They are on the way because there will be a time,to choose God or choose to serve anti Christ.

People think it will be some profound thugs stamping a mark on them.

Satan's ways are cunning,have you ever heard of a frog placed in water.
The heat is turned on and he does not move and slowly boils.

All we have to do today,is look around.

Evil is called good and good is called evil.

For those who know Jesus Christ is the son of God and is God,the only way the truth and the life,we must confess it before the world.

Theology debates in reality don't mount to a hill of beans,Romans 14 shows us that grace abounds according to the conditions you place not God.

Romans 8 teaches us to be sanctified by our hearts ,and our spiritual walk.
 
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It is a sad truth that the Body is divided, but I figure whoever divides the Body, is not part of the body at all. We just need to believe God in the name of Jesus that the Holy Spirit reproves the Body before it is too late.
If scripture can split both bone and marrow, what if it's the truth of the word that divides, then is the truth not part of the scripture? Truth is not preached in many churches today in America! Sure, half truths are preached in many, but not the whole truth. Why? Because truth is too strong for many to hear, they want pastors who preach to their itchy ears which is also a time scripture refers to before the end. Many churches would not know the truth if it were preached to them. Sorry, but the Spirit cannot convict those who wish not to hear the truth. I am not dividing, but speaking of what many does not wish to hear. Condemn me if you may, but the word will divide father against son, daughter against mother, daughter against mother-in-law, and split bone and marrow.
 
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Amen,I think Satan dwells in Churches and among Christians,as his main goal.

Those in the flesh he has,those in Christ he wants to destroy.

As Mr Jim said even among same denominations,there is bickering.

We need bridge builders,who are patient enough to know others are in the body,even if they read the
Bible different.

I would love to see interdenomnational revivals,sings,and campmeetings .

I know one thing people would come to the Lord,during them.

We need another great awakening,a powerful call to the lost in every city and town.

I have been praying for this. just asking God to pour out His holy Spirit on His children and the world. One has hooraa before the end.

I heard about what the church was like when it was first started, everyone sold everything and now want wanted for anything because the congregation all took care of each other. It was common in those day to save 5,000 a day. It was a family like we are supposed to be. I long for a family because mine was torn apart by fighting. I have my own family, but always dream of a large united family in Christ.
 
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I have been praying for this. just asking God to pour out His holy Spirit on His children and the world. One has hooraa before the end.

I heard about what the church was like when it was first started, everyone sold everything and now want wanted for anything because the congregation all took care of each other. It was common in those day to save 5,000 a day. It was a family like we are supposed to be. I long for a family because mine was torn apart by fighting. I have my own family, but always dream of a large united family in Christ.

It will take a great awakening.

80% of people in America surveyed stated they were Christians.

We know that when Americans are surveyed on right to life or other moral issiues,that
The numbers are split.

So we have a form of Godlynesss,but deny the power thereof.

Double minded flesh seeking the world,but still claiming to be Christian.

Its time the true body gathers,and preaches the truth everywhere.

We can get by the things that separate US,things that are not revelvent enough to endanger salvation,we need to leave at home.

The anti Christ may just be sitting next to you on Sunday.
 
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If scripture can split both bone and marrow, what if it's the truth of the word that divides, then is the truth not part of the scripture? Truth is not preached in many churches today in America! Sure, half truths are preached in many, but not the whole truth. Why? Because truth is too strong for many to hear, they want pastors who preach to their itchy ears which is also a time scripture refers to before the end. Many churches would not know the truth if it were preached to them. Sorry, but the Spirit cannot convict those who wish not to hear the truth. I am not dividing, but speaking of what many does not wish to hear. Condemn me if you may, but the word will divide father against son, daughter against mother, daughter against mother-in-law, and split bone and marrow.

I am not disagreeing or condemning, I am full agreement with the fact the Word of God can divide people, but Jude 1:19, those people who facilitate and proliferate these divisions are NOT of the Spirit. I agree with you that Churches have taken the Bible and used it for their own bidding, but the Spirit they claim to worship, is not present in them. I was agreement with you about the fact that the Church is divided.
 
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