Where is the sacrifice?

[GA777]

I see what you are saying. It just seem to me that it's different. Jesus was always God and was given a physical body for the sole purpose of living on earth for a short moment (compared to eternity) then returning back to what he was before. Where as an animal or human (like the soldier mentioed) they have no recolection of what things was like before they were born in their physical body; all they know is their experiences of the physical world and when they give it up, they are giving up all they know.

I just think it's asking more to ask a person to give up everything they know for a cause (like a human or animal) than to ask somebody to give up something they had no intention of keeping in the first place. (as with Jesus).
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one huh?

Ken

That can clearly indicate that Jesus sacrificed his life on earth (sacrificed his flesh-body),not his spiritual body.

From the google dictionnary :

noun /ˈsakrəˌfīs/ 
sacrifices, plural


(YES)*An act of slaughtering an animal or person or surrendering a possession as an offering to God or to a divine or supernatural figure
- they offer sacrifices to the spirits
- the ancient laws of animal sacrifice

(YES)*An animal, person, or object offered in this way

(YES)*An act of giving up something valued for the sake of something else regarded as more important or worthy
- we must all be prepared to make sacrifices

(YES!)*Christ's offering of himself in the Crucifixion



As you see here, depends on which definition you're talking about. The term "sacrifice" has to be applied therefore, because it is true. Nobody ever said that the sacrifice meant that he has offered his spiritual life to god
for us, but his life in the flesh.

 

[Ken-1122]

Yes. You would know this if you'd read the Bible, or heck, even watched some Jesus movie.

Why can’t you just answer my question? Why the condescending attitude? I’m just asking questions; do my questions offend you? So where is Jesus physical body?

Ken

 

[Incariol]

Why can’t you just answer my question? Why the condescending attitude? I’m just asking questions; do my questions offend you?

I don't have a lot of patience for them because you could simply RAFO.

So where is Jesus physical body?

Ken

Acts 1:9-12; ESV; - And when he had said these things, as - Bible Gateway

 

[Ken-1122]

I don't have a lot of patience for them because you could simply RAFO.
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Acts 1:9-12; ESV; - And when he had said these things, as - Bible Gateway

Well I don't know what RAFO means, but if you are gonna be rude, maybe it is just better if I refrain from talking with you

Ken

 

[razeontherock]

Yes it does because when you overpower death, you overpower sacrafice as well thus are no longer one. You can't have it both ways; you can't be a martyr and continue living; you gotta choose one or the other and stick with it.

Ken

Angels can't even "look into" this! Don't assume you can so quickly address this topic and come even remotely close to doing it justice ...

 

[razeontherock]

I just think it's asking more to ask a person to give up everything they know for a cause (like a human or animal) than to ask somebody to give up something they had no intention of keeping in the first place. (as with Jesus).

What's this Jesus had no intention of keeping? I think we have discovered the source of your confusion!

 

[Ken-1122]

What's this Jesus had no intention of keeping? I think we have discovered the source of your confusion!

So you say Jesus has a physical body in Heaven? That God the Father, and the Holy Spirit are spirits, but Jesus is still human and God?

Ken

 

[razeontherock]

Yes absolutely, there is no mystery about this fact and Jesus went out of His way to make it perfectly clear. You're touching on some things that are SO basic that the Church went to great lengths to clarify it.

The mystery, is how Jesus can be man and God, and how we can be a Temple of the Living God ...

This is the area where you can begin to see the significance of the Incarnation!

 

[Ken-1122]

Yes absolutely, there is no mystery about this fact and Jesus went out of His way to make it perfectly clear. You're touching on some things that are SO basic that the Church went to great lengths to clarify it.

The mystery, is how Jesus can be man and God, and how we can be a Temple of the Living God ...

This is the area where you can begin to see the significance of the Incarnation!

Okay so Jesus physical body dies then it arises from the dead and returns back to heaven where he came from. I personally see it as different than someone who dies and gives up everything he knows (his physical life) and doesn’t return back to it; rather than like Jesus being spiritual first, then getting a physical body, coming to earth, dying then returning back to where he came from with his physical body. I am sure you won’t agree, but that’s how I see it.

Ken

 

[razeontherock]

No we see it exactly the same. It's the concept of "sacrifice" you're hung up on, and the only way you can do that is to ignore Incarnation.

 

[Ken-1122]

No we see it exactly the same. It's the concept of "sacrifice" you're hung up on, and the only way you can do that is to ignore Incarnation.

Thanks for your prespective.

Ken