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Where is the record of God creating Homosexuals in the Creation Account?

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Polycarp1

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I find it interesting that some people are complaining of being bashed personally instead of their arguments being rationally discussed, in view of the fact that this is precisely what such loaded arguments appear to be doing to the people whose sexuality is under discussion. Somebody said something about the proper way to treat others which might be relevant in that regard.

Further, the entire thread has rested on petitio principii (AKA "begging the question") -- the assumption that "homosexuality" equates to what his being condemned by those passages of scripture we all are familiar with by now, and that it is a chosen lifestyle. The process is: 1) God does not create sin. 2) God's Word, the Bible, calls homosexuality sinful. 3) People choose to be homosexual. 4) Therefore, God does not create homosexuals because they weren't homosexuals until they decided to sin. Q.E.D.

The problem with this is that (a) One assumption is contrary to fact, and (b) At least two other assumptions are based on taking debatable theology and declaring it the only Christian vie, apparently by fiat. And (c) Homosexuality and homosexual are left undefined but by implication mean specifically sexual behavior.

It's easy to prove that God does not save Baptists this way. All you have to do is tacitly assume, but never spell out, that "Baptists" means followers of John the Baptist who never accepted Jesus, that it takes formally accepting Jesus as Lord to allow God to save anyone, and that anybody who disagrees with your implicit assumptions must therefore be intending to disrupt and mislead, when all you're trying to do is save souls. If you can bring someone in to have a fit of righteous indignation at how terribly you have been treated, so much the better.

Think about it. Pray about it. Don't automatically assume you're right.
 
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Ok. So you have nothing to learn from us. Good to know.
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Ok. So you have nothing to learn from us. Good to know.
tulc(finishing the last cup of coffee for the night)
Never said that but I have nothing to learn about "gay" being inspired by or created by God or perfectly ok with God. I am convinced that isnt the case.

Do I doubt they have a very real attraction? Nope. There are many sins in my life I have had a very real attraction to also. There have been many times I've lied to myself and pretended that what I wanted or was doing was not wrong. I also wasnt born with those attractions.

We each have our cross to bear. Whats written on them is just different for each of us. I certainly think myself no better or no worse than anyone else who Christ died for reguardless of whatever anyone wants to believe.
 
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If you dont beleive that Elton John or better Reginald Kenneth Dwight was once a heterosexual then you dont know anything about the man. He was also married to a woman.

???????????????

Elton John was Bisexual when he married Renate Blauel. He later married his long time partner David furnish.
He was never Straight.

As to the OP

God created homosexuals.
 
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Elton John was Bisexual when he married Renate Blauel. He later married his long time partner David furnish.
He was never Straight.

As to the OP

God created homosexuals.
I have magazines where the man Himself states otherwise - you are talking to a fan from 4th grade and I am much much older now. He never maintained either that He was bi when he married her either.
 
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You possibly still have me on 'ignore' but I'll respond to the above post anyway. Does not even the possibility of 'a diversion of natural sexuality occurring somewhere in life causing one to be attracted to those of the same sex' not at least cause you to realize and accept that this is still NOT of one's choosing? If so, why do you still show disdain toward those who are hard-wired - for WHATEVER reason and for WHATEVER the cause - with nothing any more sinful than a sexual attraction for another of the same gender? Do you REALLY believe that a God who created the world, the universe and everything within and without is so insecure and prudish and small that he needs you and others to determine for Him who is to be saved and who isn't?

'You all' might get the shock of your lives when heaven is finally realized as to who made it and who did not. Do you never even consider this when you bandy around the sins of others to the exclusion of your own? That question is a general one, by the way. Oh sure, you (whoever) might admit to also being a sinner but in the next breath you continue to target the (perceived) sins of others.

Admit that you don't have the answers to 'life' and leave those of same-gender attraction alone.
 
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I have magazines where the man Himself states otherwise - you are talking to a fan from 4th grade and I am much much older now. He never maintained either that He was bi when he married her either.
Well he wouldn't would he?
He had a career, it wasn't easily accepted back then and he had a fan base that might not have liked his coming out at the time..

You only have to look at Rock Hudson.
 
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QTF.

No one has the answers to life.
 
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Everyone isnt always "gay" or attracted to members of the same sex all of their lives - there are tons of instances where it happened later in life as stated by the people themselves and again if you read through the thread someone in my own household did the same. I know you wont agree but I asked them with my own mouth and I have been around many many gay people who i have also discussed it with.

Im willing to bet this known also but wishes to be denied because it flies in the face of the truth. God doesnt make people sin - they do it themselves.
 
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Crazy liz I have now added you to the same list since you deliberately quoted a post to me of a member i made the choice to ignore and even posted to me yourself you knew I had done so (which tells me we have nothing to talk about since showing basic respect is not anything you care about) so for future reference - any post you make to me will not be seen by me. God bless all and good evening.
 
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God created all people yes. Sin is a choice we make though on whether or not we act on temptations of the things that appeal to us because of things that have happened in our lives.

So, then don't act on temptations of the things that appeal to you because of things that have happened in your life. If being sinless makes for a happy Angel4Truth then great. So, what's the problem?
 
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THAT will teach you, Crazy Liz!

By the way, anyone ...when 'someone' else responds to a post of one ignored by another party does that somehow violate the "ignorer's" wishes and automatically qualify that 'someone' to the same 'fate' as the 'ignoree'? ???

Hmmm . . .hope you can follow that.
 
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