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Yes - unless your asserting that to be musical genious its a given to be gay? I think motzart and beethoven were more genious and they werent gay. Not sure though what thats got to do with the price of rice in china though. Maybe i should post the bunny with the pancake on his head about now or start kicking dill pickles to see how many seeds come out?Was it logically possible for God to create Liberace and his musical genius, if you like that genre, as a heterosexual?
Im really sorry to see this stated and wonder if you had a straight face as you typed it.
Liz does that mean in reading this you cannot see one instance of the op being bashed personally instead of someon answering the post? Yes or no?I find it easier to imagine a sad face than a straight face.
Thats false - back up about 3 posts before you blasted her (and later editted)People become homosexual and if you dont beleive that show me a homosexual infant. If you cannot then God didnt create a homosexual - the infant later became one themselves.
I've already stated what I wrote and I stand by the point though I reworded it slightly within a minute or so.Yes you did and later editted like you said yourself. Please at least own what you did.
And, again, I never called anyone unChristian. Your attempt to put words in other people's mouths is humorous but completely beside the point and a derail at best.Accusing someone of being unchristian and dehumanizing others when they did no such thing (just because you said they did doesnt mean they did) is a flame if you ask me and most people on this forum would agree and many people have been warned for calling others unchristian against the forum guidelines. I would know since i served on staff myself for over a year.
The hypocrisy in this forum is staggering.You being staff would also know that if those things actually were happening in the op that you accused her of - then the thread should have been closed long before now not to mention all the flaming to the op happening even on page 1 of the thread that anyone with a mind can see.
You want to talk about being pc and calling things like they are but blast the OP person for doing it as they see it?
Like i said before the hypocrisy in this thread is staggering.
Thats false - back up about 3 posts before you blasted her (and later editted) People become homosexual and if you dont beleive that show me a homosexual infant. [/U]
Thats false - back up about 3 posts before you blasted her (and later editted) People become homosexual and if you dont beleive that show me a homosexual infant. If you cannot then God didnt create a homosexual - the infant later became one themselves.
Yes - unless your asserting that to be musical genious its a given to be gay?
Liz does that mean in reading this you cannot see one instance of the op being bashed personally instead of someon answering the post? Yes or no?
Elton John was actually straight till later in life.This is ridiculous.
People do not "create themselves".
If you want to see a homosexual infant, get a time machine and visit Elton John at age 3 months.
I would ask you to point me to where i or IAR said otherwise.Again, I would simply point you towards the Nicene Creed and Colossians that explicitly state that God is the creator of all things visible and invisible.
slightly? hmmI've already stated what I wrote and I stand by the point though I reworded it slightly within a minute or so.
Hey you can say you did whatever you want - many saw what you said before you changed it - bottom line is that God knows what you said and what your intent was and thats all that matters.Your accusations are no better..
Accuse me falsley all you want - I and others saw what you said before you changed it. God saw it too and you wont be changing his mind about what happened.And, again, I never called anyone unChristian. Your attempt to put words in other people's mouths is humorous but completely beside the point and a derail at best.
what you changed it to yes.I did state that I find the actions unChristian and, indeed, I do but I do think that saying they go against the Gospel of our Lord is a better phrasing because it leaves out what you are ranting about.
indeed - again if she did in the op what you originally claimed why is this thread open?The hypocrisy in this forum is staggering.
1.) God still created homosexuals.
2.) I'm not desperately trying to accuse you of anything. The best I can see is an underhanded attempt by yourself to dehumanize a whole group of God's fellow creatures, many of whom are Christian, and, quite frankly, I find that a sickening act that completely goes against the Gospel of our Lord.
3.) Creation was and is not a one-time event so whether or not homosexuals are explicitly mentioned in the Genesis creation parables is inconsequential.
4.) God is the Creator of all things visible and invisible.
5.) It is quite clear that God did, indeed, create homosexuals, heterosexuals, and John Lennon. Glory be to God.
6.) The Genesis accounts are not exhaustive even if you read them as literal history (which a great many Christians do not) and, therefore, you will not find an exhaustive listing of all that God intends or visions for each of us within.
Yes, the narrative includes a bond between male and female wherein we leave our parents and cleave to each other in one flesh as Jesus interpreted. However, even that is a parable of a parable as within the narrative neither Adam or Eve had biological parents to leave. You can not look back at Genesis and find everything that God intends for your life or any one else's life for that matter.
We all have different paths and all add to God's plan in different ways and that is the glory of following in and believing in a living God. We have a God who is active and creative today in each and all of our lives and that is what we should attest to as Christians.
We should not dehumanize groups of people and remove God from their lives nor can we do the latter no matter how hard some may try...
No , it was your point not mine - why would you ask me if i want to argue a weak argument? God made everyone - our actions are chosen by us. What we do and dwell on are chosen by us- what we lay at the cross or wallow in is chosen by us.I'm not talking about someone with musical genius but Liberace specifically.
Do you really want to argue that it is logically possible for God to have created Liberace as a heterosexual rather than a homosexual?
SJ said:Was it logically possible for God to create Liberace and his musical genius, if you like that genre, as a heterosexual?
Yes.
Elton John was actually straight till later in life.
I just linked to a post where IAR did argue that.I would ask you to point me to where i or IAR said otherwise.
Are gay people now uncreated?Which clearly indicates that Stumpjumper's allusion to
homosexuals being created at some other point in time is also FALSE.
If you dont beleive that Elton John or better Reginald Kenneth Dwight was once a heterosexual then you dont know anything about the man. He was also married to a woman.I don't buy the argument for a minute that people choose their sexual orientation.
???????????????If that was true most guys would probably be gay. You could watch sports and drink beer with the same person you drink with.
That isnt saying to me what you are maintaining- anyone who believes that God didnt create people to be gay or gay from birth believes that and its no gnostic belief unless you are willing to say something science cannot even say - that people are born gay and you are 100 percent of it and God makes them sin then punishes them for it? ridicuous!I just linked to a post where IAR did argue that.
I'll post it yet again for you here:
Are gay people now uncreated?
Are they self-created?
Are they created by the demiurge?
I believe a diversion of natural sexuality occurs somewhere in life that causes one to be attracted to those of the same sex. God calls it sin to act on it. No gnostic belief.
We develop all kinds of sinful desires throughout our lives and anyone who denies that denies their own conscience.
Well I dont agree - I do not believe that God makes someone sin deliberately. I believe what the bible says. I also grew up with someone in my own household who for a time deviated from what was natural but now after being saved no longer continues in it.As opposed to "unnatural sexuality"?
Sexuality is as natural as it gets. Regardless of it's inclination. Regardless of whether you agree with it or not.
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