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Where is the Objective Morality?
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<blockquote data-quote="stevevw" data-source="post: 76471153" data-attributes="member: 342064"><p>oops I did it again. That damn Logic. Luckily logic alone cannot account for morality.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #00b3b3"><em>What do I mean by "morality isn't logical"? I mean in the same sense that mathematics is logical but literary criticism isn't: the "reasoning" we use to think about morality doesn't resemble logical reasoning. All systems of logic, that I'm aware of, have a concept of proof and a method of verifying with high degree of certainty whether an argument constitutes a proof. </em></span></p><p><span style="color: #00b3b3"></span></p><p><span style="color: #00b3b3"><em>As long as the logic is consistent (and we have good reason to think that many of them are), once we verify a proof we can accept its conclusion without worrying that there may be another proof that makes the opposite conclusion. With morality though, we have no such method, and people all the time make moral arguments that can be reversed or called into question by other moral arguments. </em></span></p><p><a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QvYKSFmsBX3QhgQvF/morality-isn-t-logical" target="_blank">Morality Isn't Logical - LessWrong</a></p><p></p><p>But an observation. I have noticed when debating this topic that everyone appeals to the same ilogical arguement of proving morality through the way humans act morally though agreement/disagreement as though this is sufficent. Such as morality is conditioned by society and therefore this proves its subjective. Or because people disagree morally there can be no objective morals.</p><p></p><p>So it seems that there is something to how morality works in that its a human enterprise and therefore humans make moral reality. You also have to remember that moral agreement is not based on blindly or whimsically agreeing to something but rationally agreeing to something being moral truth. To do that there needs to be some indenendent measure outside the subject.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevevw, post: 76471153, member: 342064"] oops I did it again. That damn Logic. Luckily logic alone cannot account for morality. [COLOR=#00b3b3][I]What do I mean by "morality isn't logical"? I mean in the same sense that mathematics is logical but literary criticism isn't: the "reasoning" we use to think about morality doesn't resemble logical reasoning. All systems of logic, that I'm aware of, have a concept of proof and a method of verifying with high degree of certainty whether an argument constitutes a proof. [/I] [I][/I] [I]As long as the logic is consistent (and we have good reason to think that many of them are), once we verify a proof we can accept its conclusion without worrying that there may be another proof that makes the opposite conclusion. With morality though, we have no such method, and people all the time make moral arguments that can be reversed or called into question by other moral arguments. [/I][/COLOR] [URL="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QvYKSFmsBX3QhgQvF/morality-isn-t-logical"]Morality Isn't Logical - LessWrong[/URL] But an observation. I have noticed when debating this topic that everyone appeals to the same ilogical arguement of proving morality through the way humans act morally though agreement/disagreement as though this is sufficent. Such as morality is conditioned by society and therefore this proves its subjective. Or because people disagree morally there can be no objective morals. So it seems that there is something to how morality works in that its a human enterprise and therefore humans make moral reality. You also have to remember that moral agreement is not based on blindly or whimsically agreeing to something but rationally agreeing to something being moral truth. To do that there needs to be some indenendent measure outside the subject. [/QUOTE]
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