Where is the LOVE?

[stranger]

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Your point? We cannot be perfect?

As pointed out by Jesus , all men will accept His commandment eventually and love perfectly , but very few will do so in this life, just 144,000 ...

iniquity is simply sin, any unlovingness , the opposite of love ...

sinners who are still sinners at Jesus' return will be rejected simply because they are not ready for translation because they are not perfect in love like the saints and Jesus ... they simply go on to God's next stage in redemption of the whole creation through jesus Christ ... and there is yet another stage after judgment day when uncountably many gentiles are redeemed.

 

[stranger]

How do either of those point to what you say they do? How do either of those back your claims?

Read my 'blog' [above button labelled 'Blog'] since there is really too much material to repeat it all here ...

 

[stranger]

I want to be like Jesus.. going around.. doing good.. loving people..

The somewhat unbearable question Jesus effectively asks at his return is , did one love him enough to obey him as Lord and stop sinning, or is one even then still a sinner, not perfect in love ? :-

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The point being that no-one who is a sinner can be translated to spirit , one has then to be sealed into knowing all truth of God [John 16:13] in spiruit baptism lng before death of Jesus' return in order to allow perfection of love [baptism of fire] in the precious trial of faith of the saints of this life...

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Thus there is no point in fooling oneself about whether one is a sinner, one cannot fool God , and one should be able to tell if one has all truth of God or not, whether one has ceased to sin, whether one is resisting satan completely in everything one does ... or whether one turns away like the rich man when Jesus asks one to give up one's evil way of life i the world that is seemingly so convenient , safe, easy ... all illusions of Satan of course , there is no security in the emty promises on bits of paper that we call money for instance , but it is oh so persuasive of almost all people... Satan is a worthy adversary of highest skill ...able to convince the whole world ,bar a few perfected in love , that they can carry on as sinners and still be saved, even invading and taking over religion of sinners to make it say what he wants conveyed which they find so comforting despite it being very different from what the saints and Jesus say in scripture ...

 

[CShephard53]

Stranger, given your claims I'm going to continue this in another thread so as to not derail this one. It'll be titled: A Strange Debate, in this forum.

 

[stranger]

Stranger, given your claims I'm going to continue this in another thread so as to not derail this one. It'll be titled: A Strange Debate, in this forum.

Good idea, and I am intrigued by the interest in God's written word ... as most people run away from it because it seems strange indeed [as they are more used to being told by sinners what to think and to believe] It is however only a reflection of the truth of prophecy that men think God's written word is strange... . 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; . Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

[ozell]

There is so much going on in the world today, that we as a body have seem to have forgotten the greatest commandment. The Lord said to love one another, more and more i see people arguing or fighting in the name of the Lord then correcting in love. I have to bring this up because it weighs on my heart. Everyone tells me you cannot expect everyone to be kind and the way you want them to be. I understand people are going to be the way they are, but if you love God and know him why or how can a person not want to help another, or help another or whatever the case may be. What input does everyone have on this subject. There is more I see it in church, in the preachers, ect.. People will push others away with judgement, or so called discernment. .

HI

Jesus said in the last days

Mt 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Jesus had Paul write

1Thes 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.


Lk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

1Tm 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

 

[ozell]

1Thes 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

what is good?


Mk 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

hold fast to GOD!!!

 

[lincolngreen50]

There is so much going on in the world today, that we as a body have seem to have forgotten the greatest commandment. The Lord said to love one another, more and more i see people arguing or fighting in the name of the Lord then correcting in love. I have to bring this up because it weighs on my heart. Everyone tells me you cannot expect everyone to be kind and the way you want them to be. I understand people are going to be the way they are, but if you love God and know him why or how can a person not want to help another, or help another or whatever the case may be. What input does everyone have on this subject. There is more I see it in church, in the preachers, ect.. People will push others away with judgement, or so called discernment. .

Read the Book of Revelation.God is just not all love,He is our Father,He is our law giver and He is our Judge.
We are nearing the end times.Those who keep only to Him will be saved but those who continue to live in Sin will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Jesus left as a lamb but He will return with a Sword in his hand.

 

[stranger]

Read the Book of Revelation.God is just not all love,He is our Father,He is our law giver and He is our Judge.
We are nearing the end times.Those who keep only to Him will be saved but those who continue to live in Sin will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Jesus left as a lamb but He will return with a Sword in his hand.

The 'sword' is in Jesus' MOUTH , not his hand... and it is nothing but the truth of God, a two-edged 'sword'...

The truth is simply that love is the only way [to immortality] , one has to cease from sin to be acceptable in the spirit :-

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 5:48 [REB] Ye, therefore, shall become, perfect: as, your heavenly Father, is perfect.

It seems impossible to most men, sin is a slavery to Satan, so how can men become completely loving?

God has the answer , in three more stages , men in apostate religion think it must happen in just one stage , and fail...

God however says that He has the will to save all men and that it is His pleasuer to do His will, that His 'hand' is not shortened that it cannot save all men...

But God has NEVER said that He will do it all now, He has told us that only a few can be first, that He requires but a few first as priests and kings to minister and rule in Hs kingdom come when the many are saved [Rev 7:9-10] who went by the broad way through death as sinners in this life...

Why can men not hear? ... because God has not readied the kingdom yet to receive the many, and has a different purpose in this earth, snaring Satan...

 

[lincolngreen50]

The 'sword' is in Jesus' MOUTH , not his hand... and it is nothing but the truth of God, a two-edged 'sword'...

The truth is simply that love is the only way [to immortality] , one has to cease from sin to be acceptable in the spirit :-

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 5:48 [REB] Ye, therefore, shall become, perfect: as, your heavenly Father, is perfect.

It seems impossible to most men, sin is a slavery to Satan, so how can men become completely loving?

God has the answer , in three more stages , men in apostate religion think it must happen in just one stage , and fail...

God however says that He has the will to save all men and that it is His pleasuer to do His will, that His 'hand' is not shortened that it cannot save all men...

But God has NEVER said that He will do it all now, He has told us that only a few can be first, that He requires but a few first as priests and kings to minister and rule in Hs kingdom come when the many are saved [Rev 7:9-10] who went by the broad way through death as sinners in this life...

Why can men not hear? ... because God has not readied the kingdom yet to receive the many, and has a different purpose in this earth, snaring Satan...

You are right, I made an error, he does come back with a two edged sword in his mouth.

What I was trying to say was that Jesus came as a Lamb but is coming back as a Lion. I feel many see Jesus as that helpless baby in the manger but not the all powerful King who will judge the wicked. I am trying to show Jesus as a almighty King. For God is Light for within in him there is no darkness at all. But the bible states when Jesus comes back he will come to judge:

Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

Revelation 19:11-16

But thank you for pointing out the error.

 

[stranger]

You are right, I made an error, he does come back with a two edged sword in his mouth.

It ain't a serious error like the many i have made in my time... but it does show that this is no sword, but the 'sword'of truth ... one cnnot hold a two-edged sword in one's mouth, let alone use it from there....

What I was trying to say was that Jesus came as a Lamb but is coming back as a Lion.

Yay ,the third face of the right-hand covering cherub... the lion of Judah, the king come to rule with rod of iron, beginning with the wrth of the Lamb..

I feel many see Jesus as that helpless baby in the manger but not the all powerful King who will judge the wicked. I am trying to show Jesus as an almighty King. For God is Light for within in him there is no darkness at all. But the bible states when Jesus comes back he will come to judge:

Yes, the first judgment he makes is who are still sinners and who are the few saints he will take after the dirts resurrection :-

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The next judgment after that is judgment day when the many are thus redeemed [Rev 7:9-10] who went by the broad way in this earth, not the narrow straight way of the few saints in this earth [Matt 7]

After that there is only the enduring redeeming mercy of God in the lake of His 'fire' [the pain inside and outside from His truth being made real to the most evil of men and Satan himself]

But thank you for pointing out the error.

ur welcome, I hope you can do the same for me one day soon ...

 

[Zebra1552]

The 'sword' is in Jesus' MOUTH , not his hand... and it is nothing but the truth of God, a two-edged 'sword'...

The truth is simply that love is the only way [to immortality] , one has to cease from sin to be acceptable in the spirit :-

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 5:48 [REB] Ye, therefore, shall become, perfect: as, your heavenly Father, is perfect.

It seems impossible to most men, sin is a slavery to Satan, so how can men become completely loving?

God has the answer , in three more stages , men in apostate religion think it must happen in just one stage , and fail...

God however says that He has the will to save all men and that it is His pleasuer to do His will, that His 'hand' is not shortened that it cannot save all men...

But God has NEVER said that He will do it all now, He has told us that only a few can be first, that He requires but a few first as priests and kings to minister and rule in Hs kingdom come when the many are saved [Rev 7:9-10] who went by the broad way through death as sinners in this life...

Why can men not hear? ... because God has not readied the kingdom yet to receive the many, and has a different purpose in this earth, snaring Satan...

Isn't God limited by His own expressed will in the Bible?

 

[stranger]

Isn't God limited by His own expressed will in the Bible?

The bible is written in limited form only because we are limited [not least by what words we understand, by our lack of experience of the spirit to even have woprds refering to it] ...

Hence the 'poetic', metaphoric, symbolic nature of much in scripture , enough that we will recognise the truth in it when we are baptised of the spiriit and finally have the potential enabled [John 16:13] to defeat Satan's wiles , to cease from sin by realising its emptoiness , and perfect our love as the few saints do in this life [so maybe not in this life]

The scripture is then just a fixed limited record for purpose comparing of the record of God's prophecies as they come to pass , it is the Spiriit of Truth which is the doorway to immortal spirit opened by Jesus... [John 16:13]

Much of the spirit has no words we can yet understand, and much of it cannot yet be lawfully uttered that does have words we would understand...

2 Corinthians 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Hebrews 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

To give an example , consider the 'purpose' of God in this earth [Isaiah 14:26 , also Ezek 28 & 2Thess 2]... How could God have a purpose if He is timeless , changeless ...? The purpose is only of meaning to those [us!] bound to follow in time, not knowing the future, it means mnothig to God since all time is as one known thing, fixed, ,limited to Him...