Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

Is there a "gap" in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9"


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No change at all.

Modernism, deception, fantasy, fallacy, and illegitimate have never changed in describing dispensational dogma.

Only God knows if they'll ever change before He returns.

But they'll certainly change after.
I plead guilty to teaching that the Bible actually means what it explicitly says, even as the early Christian writers taught, and even as many taught during the time of the Reformation.
 
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I plead guilty to teaching that the Bible actually means what it explicitly says, even as the early Christian writers taught, and even as many taught during the time of the Reformation.

Former Dispensationalist Jerry Johnson says otherwise in the video below.


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I plead guilty to teaching that the Bible actually means what it explicitly says, even as the early Christian writers taught, and even as many taught during the time of the Reformation.

Feel free to provide quotes of any Reformers as they teach a futurized antichrist or a rapture.
 
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Another modern Preterist on Daniel's 70 weeks......gotta bring them out of hiding.......:oldthumbsup:

M.F. Blume: What Do Preterists Believe About “The Prince” in the 70 Weeks of Daniel? (2001)

What Do Preterists Believe About “The Prince” in the 70 Weeks of Daniel?
By Michael F. Blume August, 2001

I recently read an article in the Summer 2001 edition of CONNECT magazine written by an Apostolic who proposed that Preterism incorrectly teaches that there was only one prince mentioned in Daniel 9:24-27, regarding the 70 weeks of Daniel. The argument was based upon an attempt to prove there must be a gap between the 69th and the 70th weeks of Daniel’s 70 weeks noted in Daniel 9:24. However, the information said to be promoted by Preterists in this article was absolutely incorrect.
Let me try to set the record straight regarding what Preterists and Partial Preterists actually believe regarding the issue of the “prince” in Daniel 9, and also address some other concerns raised by the particular author who misrepresented Preterism.............

THE REAL QUESTION CONCERNS THE IDENTITY OF “HE” IN VERSE 27

The entire issue circles around the identity of the “he” in verse 27.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: …

Who is the “he” who confirms a covenant with many for one week? Futurists, who believe that the entire 70 weeks is not yet fulfilled, contend that the “he” is the antichrist.
Preterists and Partial Preterists contend that the “he” is not the antichrist but is the Messiah the Prince, Jesus Christ. Let us prove that the “he” most certainly is Jesus Christ.

It has been argued by some Futurists that Preterists teach the prince in verse 26 is Jesus, and that Preterists therefore teach that Jesus destroyed the temple accord to the statement, “the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.”
This is simply a straw man argument (an argument that attacks a belief supposedly held by another group while in reality the other group holds no such belief at all!).

Jesus is certainly the Messiah the Prince of verse 25. Nobody in Christianity argues that. The second prince noted in verse 26, “the prince that shall come,” is not Jesus Christ. That is not the problem between Futurists and Preterists. The real issue is the identity of the “he” noted in the first phrase of verse 27.

THERE ARE TWO PRINCES MENTIONED IN THE DISCOURSE

In the straw man argument proposed by some futurists, the aspect of the lower case letter “p” in the word “prince” from the phrase, “prince that shall come,” is a matter of supposed proof that Preterists are incorrect. Once again, Preterists do not believe the prince in verse 26 is Jesus. So the argument about who this prince is, is not an issue anyway!
But simply for the sake of noting proper study manners, I do wish to point out that it is unwise to prove a doctrine based upon the translators’ preference of capitalization in a word! In the Hebrew text of the Old Testament, every word was comprised of capital letters! This shows some very weak study manners used by those Futurists who argue their point using such methods as pointing to what words are capitalized or not..

GRAMMAR PROVES CHRIST IS THE “HE”

Analyzing the grammar of verses 25 through 27 shows us that the “he” who confirms a covenant for seven years is Jesus Christ. The subject of the discussion is found in verse 25, and is the Messiah the Prince. Verse 25 mentions a span of time of “seven weeks” and “threescore and two weeks.” Seven plus sixty-two is sixty-nine. The Messiah the Prince is on the scene after the first 69 weeks. And we read that after the “threescore and two weeks”, Messiah shall be cut off.
What is “after” the threescore and two weeks? It is the 70th WEEK!
During the time after the 69th week, which is during the 70th week, Messiah is cut off. And this fits perfectly with the sequence of events that occurred in the Biblical texts of the New Testament. Jesus came, and 3.5 years later was crucified, or cut off.
The “week” is a week of seven years. All agree with that. And in the midst of the “week”, the sacrifice and oblation ceased. God would never again accept sacrifice of blood, since Christ was the final sacrifice God would ever recognize.
This refers to the crucifixion where Christ was “cut off” due to an untimely death, as opposed to death by natural old age. He was “cut off” since He was killed. And he was not cut off for Himself! He died for the salvation of humanity! Praise God!

Not only would Christ be cut off after the 69 weeks, but the people of the prince that shall come would destroy the city and the sanctuary (temple).
This was fulfilled by the year 70 AD. Desolations were “determined.” Jesus Christ referred to the destruction of the Temple, Himself, in Matthew 23.

Matthew 23:37-38 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

“Your house is left unto you desolate.”

IS THE LAST WEEK NOT A LITERAL PERIOD OF SEVEN YEARS?

The 70th week of Daniel is not a spiritualized week of untold number of actual days. It is a seven-year period. In the midst of the period, Christ was crucified, and 3.5 years elapsed after that to fulfill the time for Israel alone being privy to God’s workings. Note that the gentiles did not come into the picture of experiencing salvation until after 3.5 years.
Only Jews were filled with the Spirit in Acts 2:4. People have estimated that Stephen’s death, when Saul of Tarsus first began to be pricked in his heart concerning the Christians whom he persecuted, who later preached and turned to the Gentiles alone in ministry, occurred 3.5 years after Jesus died and rose again. However, the precise dating of when the final 3.5 years were fulfilled is not necessary. The whole point of Daniel was “after” the 69th week, Christ would be cut off and make an end of sacrifices.
 
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Another modern Preterist on Daniel's 70 weeks......gotta bring them out of hiding.......:oldthumbsup:

M.F. Blume: What Do Preterists Believe About “The Prince” in the 70 Weeks of Daniel? (2001)

What Do Preterists Believe About “The Prince” in the 70 Weeks of Daniel?
By Michael F. Blume August, 2001

I recently read an article in the Summer 2001 edition of CONNECT magazine written by an Apostolic who proposed that Preterism incorrectly teaches that there was only one prince mentioned in Daniel 9:24-27, regarding the 70 weeks of Daniel. The argument was based upon an attempt to prove there must be a gap between the 69th and the 70th weeks of Daniel’s 70 weeks noted in Daniel 9:24. However, the information said to be promoted by Preterists in this article was absolutely incorrect.
Let me try to set the record straight regarding what Preterists and Partial Preterists actually believe regarding the issue of the “prince” in Daniel 9, and also address some other concerns raised by the particular author who misrepresented Preterism.............

THE REAL QUESTION CONCERNS THE IDENTITY OF “HE” IN VERSE 27

The entire issue circles around the identity of the “he” in verse 27.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: …

Who is the “he” who confirms a covenant with many for one week? Futurists, who believe that the entire 70 weeks is not yet fulfilled, contend that the “he” is the antichrist.
Preterists and Partial Preterists contend that the “he” is not the antichrist but is the Messiah the Prince, Jesus Christ. Let us prove that the “he” most certainly is Jesus Christ.

It has been argued by some Futurists that Preterists teach the prince in verse 26 is Jesus, and that Preterists therefore teach that Jesus destroyed the temple accord to the statement, “the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.”
This is simply a straw man argument (an argument that attacks a belief supposedly held by another group while in reality the other group holds no such belief at all!).

Jesus is certainly the Messiah the Prince of verse 25. Nobody in Christianity argues that. The second prince noted in verse 26, “the prince that shall come,” is not Jesus Christ. That is not the problem between Futurists and Preterists. The real issue is the identity of the “he” noted in the first phrase of verse 27.

THERE ARE TWO PRINCES MENTIONED IN THE DISCOURSE

In the straw man argument proposed by some futurists, the aspect of the lower case letter “p” in the word “prince” from the phrase, “prince that shall come,” is a matter of supposed proof that Preterists are incorrect. Once again, Preterists do not believe the prince in verse 26 is Jesus. So the argument about who this prince is, is not an issue anyway!
But simply for the sake of noting proper study manners, I do wish to point out that it is unwise to prove a doctrine based upon the translators’ preference of capitalization in a word! In the Hebrew text of the Old Testament, every word was comprised of capital letters! This shows some very weak study manners used by those Futurists who argue their point using such methods as pointing to what words are capitalized or not..

GRAMMAR PROVES CHRIST IS THE “HE”

Analyzing the grammar of verses 25 through 27 shows us that the “he” who confirms a covenant for seven years is Jesus Christ. The subject of the discussion is found in verse 25, and is the Messiah the Prince. Verse 25 mentions a span of time of “seven weeks” and “threescore and two weeks.” Seven plus sixty-two is sixty-nine. The Messiah the Prince is on the scene after the first 69 weeks. And we read that after the “threescore and two weeks”, Messiah shall be cut off.
What is “after” the threescore and two weeks? It is the 70th WEEK!
During the time after the 69th week, which is during the 70th week, Messiah is cut off. And this fits perfectly with the sequence of events that occurred in the Biblical texts of the New Testament. Jesus came, and 3.5 years later was crucified, or cut off.
The “week” is a week of seven years. All agree with that. And in the midst of the “week”, the sacrifice and oblation ceased. God would never again accept sacrifice of blood, since Christ was the final sacrifice God would ever recognize.
This refers to the crucifixion where Christ was “cut off” due to an untimely death, as opposed to death by natural old age. He was “cut off” since He was killed. And he was not cut off for Himself! He died for the salvation of humanity! Praise God!

Not only would Christ be cut off after the 69 weeks, but the people of the prince that shall come would destroy the city and the sanctuary (temple).
This was fulfilled by the year 70 AD. Desolations were “determined.” Jesus Christ referred to the destruction of the Temple, Himself, in Matthew 23.

Matthew 23:37-38 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

“Your house is left unto you desolate.”

IS THE LAST WEEK NOT A LITERAL PERIOD OF SEVEN YEARS?

The 70th week of Daniel is not a spiritualized week of untold number of actual days. It is a seven-year period. In the midst of the period, Christ was crucified, and 3.5 years elapsed after that to fulfill the time for Israel alone being privy to God’s workings. Note that the gentiles did not come into the picture of experiencing salvation until after 3.5 years.
Only Jews were filled with the Spirit in Acts 2:4. People have estimated that Stephen’s death, when Saul of Tarsus first began to be pricked in his heart concerning the Christians whom he persecuted, who later preached and turned to the Gentiles alone in ministry, occurred 3.5 years after Jesus died and rose again. However, the precise dating of when the final 3.5 years were fulfilled is not necessary. The whole point of Daniel was “after” the 69th week, Christ would be cut off and make an end of sacrifices.

The author arrives at the correct conclusion, but his arguments are still open to some attack. He needs to recognize that:

1. There is only one individual in the passage identified as a prince, and it is Messiah. Thus every reference to "prince" is a reference to Messiah.
2. Revelation 1:5 refers to Messiah using a decapitalized "prince".
3. The qualifying grammatical antecedent of the pronoun "he" in Daniel 9:27 is the closest proximity preceding noun, i.e. "prince" in Daniel 9:26.
4. Jesus certainly was the prince whose people, both Romans and Jews, were His agents to "destroy the city and the sanctuary".
 
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The 70 'sevens' are decreed. Except these words, there is NO other clue to define the moment they start. So, everything is summed up in the word 'DECREED'.

The last time time has been decreed at the universal scale on earth is on OCT 15 1582, date of the start of the DECREED Gregorian calendar, now used everywhere on this planet. So, the 70 'sevens' start from that date. And there is NO REASON at all to have a gap.

And there is no Bible intel saying that we must add 62 to 7 and 1 to make 70 'sevens'. 62 'sevens', given its time unit scale, also start from OCT 1582 to confirm the 7 'sevens' year and define the Knesset Decree to rebuild Jerusalem in JUN 1967, making these TWO TIME CONDITIONS to fulfill fall in 2016 beyond which comes the Anointed one, the ruler, who must die! THIS IS THEREFORE NOT CHRIST RETURNED...

From the very moment the Anointed One who comes (so, not Christ), is here he makes a covenant with many (countries) for 1 'seven'. This 7 years period doesn't start in 2016 but from a date between 2016 and 2023, 7 years later. The one who confirms (not makes) that covenant is the ruler who will come AFTER him. The second will kill the first in the middle of this 7 years period, that is to say after 3.5 years of his reign.

In other words, the first ruler is one of the Two Witnesses, while the second ruler is the antichrist who sets an abomination that causes desolation. Both are living NOW!

But since the first ruler will be put to death after 62 'sevens', it means that it will happen before the 63rd 'seven' starts, that is to say that the first ruler comes from heaven before MAY 2020.

One should think OUT of the box to see the truth.
 
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In DAN 9, one can notice that the 62 'sevens', starting, like the 70 'sevens', from the start of the DECREED Gregorian calendar in OCT 1582, and 7 'sevens', from the JUN 1967 Knesset DECREE to rebuild Jerusalem, both fall in 2016, JUN, then OCT, the very year of the JUN Brexit vote in UK where (and beyond which) the Anointed One, the ruler, comes.

OCT 2016 + 7 years = OCT 2023 - 3.5 years = MAY 2020.

The latter comes before MAY 2020 for he will be one of the Two Witnesses killed 3,5 years after his coming (after 62 'sevens' = before 63 'sevens'), that is in the middle of the 'seven' when the antichrist, the ruler who will come, appears.

It happens that the result of this vote must come on OCT 2019, that is 40 months later!

In other words, the Brexit of UK seems to be God's Plan in relation to this Anointed One, a future British ruler, aka George VII.

Also note that the Queen's Speech, after the prorogation, falls on OCT 14 2019, the eve of the 437th anniversary of the OCT 15 1582 Gregorian calendar, AND the 953th anniversary of the OCT 14 1066 Battle of Hastings opening the era of the British monarchy with William I.
 
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Feel free to provide quotes of any Reformers as they teach a futurized antichrist or a rapture.
We have been round and round on this before. And when confronted with HARD PROOF that these tings were being taught in the time of the reformers, you simply pretended that, since you had never heard of these teachers, they were not actual reformers. I am through with you and your intellectual dishonesty.
 
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Jesus is certainly the Messiah the Prince of verse 25. Nobody in Christianity argues that.
Of course there are people in Christianity arguing that! It suffices to see that the four beasts in DAN 7 are the four British royal dynasties perfectly matching their descriptions, that DAN 8 describes, with a great accuracy, WWII with the two kings Reza Shah, the British Empire, Hitler and the creation of the State of Israel, and that, at last, all the characters of DAN 9 are from the fourth British royal dynasty, aka PRINCE William (the Anointed One, the ruler who comes) and PRINCE Harry, the future antichrist, the ruler who WILL come.

The very fact that their are in the same verse shows that they come from the same family, dynasty and country.

As Dan 7, 8 and 9 are in a perfect chronological order, Dan 11, then Dan 12 follow that same order, very logically!
 
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We have been round and round on this before. And when confronted with HARD PROOF that these tings were being taught in the time of the reformers, you simply pretended that, since you had never heard of these teachers, they were not actual reformers. I am through with you and your intellectual dishonesty.

Eagerly awaiting those Reformers' quotes.

Not from some closet papists.
 
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Moving on to the nex commentary with an alternative to the traditional view:
From The Preterist Archive of Realized Eschatology

James Jordan: Bridging the Last Gap: Daniel’s Seventy Weeks Revisited


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Now, the chronology also breaks down between Malachi and Matthew. The only place the Bible bridges the gap is in Daniel 9:24-27, the “seventy weeks” from Cyrus to Jesus. In the past we have taken up the question of whether the 70 Weeks should be taken as literal years or as a symbolic chronology, and we have opted in these studies to take them literally, thereby bridging the gap.

But exactly how is the gap bridged? There are three possibilities, as I see it. One is that the cutting off of the Messiah after the 69th week refers to the crucifixion, which for now we will put in A.D. 30. The second is that the cutting off takes place in A.D. 67, followed by the 70th week, in the middle of which Jerusalem is destroyed. The third possibility (and I hate to admit this) is that there is a gap (yes, you read that right) between the 69th and 70th weeks.......................


27a. And He [Messiah the Prince] will confirm a covenant [The Covenant] with the many [the Church] during one week [the 70th week]. But in the middle of the week He will put a stop to sacrifice [peace offerings] and tribute [grain offerings] [by dying on the cross, and thereby ending the sacrificial system].

This is the traditional view, and I am still generally happy with it. The assumption is that Christ confirms the Covenant during His 3-year ministry, and then dies in A.D. 30 in the middle of the 70th week.

But there is an alternative possibility. The fact is that peace offerings and tribute offerings did not stop with the cross. We see Paul going to the Temple and offering sacrifices to fulfill his Nazirite vow in Acts 21:26. Perhaps the confirming of the covenant with Israel is the conversion of the (symbolic) 144,000 Jews as recorded in Revelation 7, what Paul calls the “fullness of Israel coming in” in Romans 11. Perhaps the cessation of sacrifices refers to the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70.

Still, confirming the covenant is exactly what the gospels show Jesus doing. Thus, I am happier viewing the 70th week as beginning with the baptism of Jesus. Jesus’ work put a definitive and judicial “stop” to the sacrificial system, though His people were free to continue offering memorials until the Temple was actually destroyed.

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I lean strongly toward the traditional view. Verse 26 clearly states that the Messiah is cut off after the 62nd (= 69th) week. This refers to A.D. 30. Thus, if the 70 Weeks do indeed include the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, we must put a gap of 36-37 years between the 69th and 70th weeks (30-66 A.D.). The 70th week would be the years 67-73 A.D., with the destruction of the temple in the middle of the week.

A gap is not as unreasonable as it appears, because Acts and the epistles do provide chronological information from A.D. 30 forward. Thus, the gap is filled. The chronology is not actually broken, because the 69 weeks carry us from Cyrus to Christ, Acts takes us up to just before the destruction of Jerusalem, and the first half of the 70th week takes us to A.D. 70. But, Acts does not completely cover this period, and who wants a gap if we can avoid it?

Another corroboration of the traditional view comes from the interesting fact that if we go with it, there are 1000 years between the completion of the Temple and its destruction. The Temple was completed in the year Anno Mundi 3000. The middle of the 70th week came in A.M. 3960. If this was A.D. 30, the Temple was destroyed 1000 years after it was first built. If the middle of the 70th week (A.M. 3960) was when the Temple was destroyed, then we don’t have an even millennium for the Temple.

Of course, the preceding is a tenuous argument, but this whole discussion is tenuous. The only way we can arrive at a proper interpretation of Daniel 9:24-27 is to try to compare the whole systems of each alternative interpretation. It is very striking that the Temple was completed in A.M. 3000, and this figure is unassailable. The fact that the traditional view puts the destruction of the Temple, and the end of the first creation, in the year 4000 A.M. is also striking, and should be considered as evidence, though perhaps not very weighty, in favor of the traditional interpretation.

Conclusion

Daniel 9:24-27 bridges the gap between Malachi and Matthew by providing a chronology of 490 years. The period begins with the decree of Cyrus in around A.M. 3474, and ends in A.M. 3964. The death of Christ happened midway through the last seven years, or in A.M. 3960. There is good reason, as we shall see, for making this the same as A.D. 30, in which case the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 was the year A.M. 4000.
 
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Per member's request, I added 3 more options to the poll.......
I would like for you to do a separate poll on the 70th week of Daniel 9:27.
1. Fully complete
2. Half complete, half future
3. All future
 
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But exactly how is the gap bridged? There are three possibilities, as I see it. One is that the cutting off of the Messiah after the 69th week refers to the crucifixion, which for now we will put in A.D. 30. The second is that the cutting off takes place in A.D. 67, followed by the 70th week, in the middle of which Jerusalem is destroyed. The third possibility (and I hate to admit this) is that there is a gap (yes, you read that right) between the 69th and 70th weeks....................
Do various Preterist authors hold to these different views? Surely the first option is right! The second option fails to count from any known decree, and the third option does what they condemn the Futurist for doing - creates a gap.

Lamb, you are the Preterist fan here. Which of the above is the standard Preterist teaching?
 
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I was not referring to the poll. I was referring to an article that LittlelambofJesus was quoting.

Having said that, I don’t believe there is a gap in Daniels timeline. The ‘weeks’ were part of the Hebrew calendar. Calendars do not have gaps.
 
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I was not referring to the poll. I was referring to an article that LittlelambofJesus was quoting.

In that case I have no opinion one way or the other about your choice. I was assuming you were referring to the poll. Apparently I had assumed wrong.



Having said that, I don’t believe there is a gap in Daniels timeline. The ‘weeks’ were part of the Hebrew calendar. Calendars do not have gaps.

IMO, as to calendars, it would only be the first 69 weeks that would matter in that regards. The way some interpret verse 26, thus having some of that fulfilled around 70 AD, that alone does not fit a calendar of years without any gaps. Verse 26 obviously has to have some relevance to the 70 weeks, but how can it if some of it is meaning a time post these 70 weeks, that according to the way some are interpreting some of verse 26?

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

In verse 26----And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself----this fits with the 69 weeks in verse 25. The remainder of verse 26 fits with the remaining week in verse 27. The only way to make sense out of it in that case, there has to be a gap between the 69 weeks and the 70th week.
 
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Revelation 10, "there shall be no more delay" => there had been a delay, up until "Armageddon" and the "desolation" of "Babylon" = 70 AD

30-70 AD = 40 years = 40 years in the wilderness from Pentecost (=Moses receives Law) to Promised Land (=Joshua conquers Jericho)
 
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Revelation 10, "there shall be no more delay" => there had been a delay, up until "Armageddon" and the "desolation" of "Babylon" = 70 AD
30-70 AD = 40 years = 40 years in the wilderness from Pentecost (=Moses receives Law) to Promised Land (=Joshua conquers Jericho)
Great post Eric.

Remember this thread on the 7 Priests at Jericho and the 7 Messengers at Babylon/1s century Jerusalem? [Yes, I and many others view 1st century Jerusalem in Revelation]

Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament

Taken from my post on the "allusions in revelation" thread........

Joshua 6 [7 Priests-7 trumpets-shofars] and Revelation [7 Messengers-7 trumpets]


Joshua 6 [Revelation 8:2-6]
4 And seven Priests carry seven trumpets of rams' horns in front of the Ark.
Then on the seventh day, march around the City seven times, while the Priests blow the trumpets.[Revelation 8:2-6

13 Then seven Priests bearing seven trumpets of rams' horns before the Ark of the LORD went on continually and blew with the trumpets. And the armed men went before Them.
But the rear guard came after the Ark of the LORD, while the Priests continued blowing the trumpets.


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Revelation 8: [Joshua 6:4]
2 And I saw the seven Messengers which stood before God,
and to Them were given seven trumpets.
6 And the seven Messengers having the seven trumpets make ready Themselves that They should be trumpeting<4537>.


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Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive
CAST OF CHARACTERS: Roman: Emperor Nero | General Vespasian | General Titus | The Roman Army || Jewish: General / Historian Josephus | Factional Leaders in Jerusalem || Administrators of Roman Judea Targets: Jerusalem | Herod's Temple // Maps of the Roman Invasion // Theological Timeline

Some interesting info on the 1st century trumpets........


Revelation 8 Commentary- Plagued by Trumpets
The Roman Assault on Israel Began around the Feast of Trumpets Hence the Seven Trumpets of Revelation—Thus Began the Jewish War.


In A.D. 66 while Judea was aflame in bloodshed, riot and revolt, Rome responded by sending the 12th legion in addition to thousands of auxiliaries from neighboring kingdoms. These troops, as if orchestrated by God, arrived in Jerusalem in the Jewish month of Tishri, a month that begins with the Feast of Trumpets.
Called the Day of Judgment, it is on this day that trumpets sound the somber days of atonement and final judgment (Leviticus 23:24, Numbers 29:1).
Thus began the Jewish War.3
The A.D. 70 Doctrine View, Interpretation, Exposition and Commentary of Revelation 8: In Every Event that Fulfills the Seven Trumpets of Revelation an Audible Trumpet Sound Was Heard.
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Jewish Roots: The Sound Of The Trumpet
For if the Trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare for battle?
(1 Corinthians 14:8).

The Apostle Paul used the Roman military trumpet as a metaphor for spiritual battle. First-century historian Josephus wrote that the Roman army did nothing, except by trumpet signals. He listed three specific trumpet sounds, all of which can be devotionally applied.

The first trumpet was a signal to prepare to depart. "Now when they are to go out of their camp, the trumpet gives a sound."(1) The Bible believer should be ready to depart swiftly for any field of conflict as ordered, always ready to fight the good fight of faith (1 Tim. 6:12; 2 Tim. 4:7).

The second trumpet was a signal to form up: "Then do the trumpets sound again, to order them to get ready for the march."(1) At this stage, a believer should have on the whole armor of God.
The Lord wants skilled warriors, lined up with others, who will do battle against the wiles of the Devil (Eph. 6:11).

The third trumpet sound was the order to march: "Then do the trumpets give a sound a third time, that they are to go out."(1) Some have suggested that this is the equivalent of "the last trumpet" that Paul referred to in 1 Corinthians 15:52 concerning the Rapture of the church: Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed--in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed (1 Cor. 15:51-52).

This trumpet may also point to the personal resolve of a believer to march out to serve Christ, to stand against all challenges to God's kingdom, and to be willing to endure hardships like a good soldier (2 Tim. 2:3).
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Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive


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You can hear the Roman trumpets blowing in this vid

 
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