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You're using the secular and discredited Ptolemaic chronology, which is in error by 80 or more years. Use Anstey's instead.If artexerxes started his reign in 465 Bc, and gave the command to restore jerusalem in 445 bc, how did cyrus give a decree in 457BC when artexerxes was in power? Oh and anothe fact, he died in 530BC, how could give a command 70 years after he died?
Messiah's agents, the Roman armies, abominations to the Jews, advanced on the holy city of Jerusalem (Luke 21:20), destroying it into desolation, a generation after the 70th week.When did messiah commit the abomination of desolation by placing an idol in the holy place in the middle of the 70th week?
Thanks, i will try to take a look at it soon, and give a reply, this is how we should all be, tak all views, study, and determine with all facts the you think scripture supports, without going to outside sources,Since I like to be fair and balanced, like FoxNews(lol), I did find the following article just now which argues against, and not for, that of Sir Robert Anderson in his book The Coming Prince.
https://www.neverthirsty.org/bible-...-the-correct-calculation-of-daniels-69-weeks/
Unfortunately I'm far from an expert in these type of things. At this point in time, until I maybe research these things more in-depth, it is difficult for me to judge which of the two articles I have submitted has the better date analysis arguments.
Messiah's agents, the Roman armies, abominations to the Jews, advanced on the holy city of Jerusalem (Luke 21:20), destroying it into desolation, a generation after the 70th week.
Where is this found in scripture?
I already showed where cyrus only gave th command to rebuild the temple, when cyrus dies, they still had yet to rebuild the temple, darius had to confirm the command to restory syrus decree, to rebuild the temple. In no place was cyrus shown to give any command to restore the city
Why people ignore scripture is beyond me
I love the GAP. I buy all my jeans there. But a GAP doesn't belong is Scripture.
... and the "weeks" are not "weeks". So please don't presume a ~490 year fulfillment.
Thanks,
DaDad
An inanimate idol does not make desolate. An invading army does. The Roman army invading the holy city of Jerusalem (the holy place) bore pagan symbols of their emperor deities, which were abominations to the Jews.I see no abomination (unclean thing or idol) which makes desolate standing in the holy place in your reply,
Can you show me if i missed it?
It’s 483 years (7 weeks and 62 weeks) plus the gap time from the going forth of the command to Messiah the Prince. ...
What?
Where is this in psalms? Your the one who said the boom was psalms, can you support your thought?
DaDad said:Book 19, prophetic for the 1900's, and Chapter 24 = 1924 ( per J.R. Church "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms"), provides the "going forth of the word".
So i came to ad 32 but i am 80 years off?You're using the secular and discredited Ptolemaic chronology, which is in error by 80 or more years. Use Anstey's instead.
So lets take 454 BCThe decree of Cyrus is the correct starting point for the 70 weeks.
In 1913, Martin Anstey released "The Romance of Bible Chronology", which calculated dates based exclusively on the contents of Scripture. His date for Cyrus' decree was 454 BC. Other calculations using similar methodology have ranged up to 457 BC, an acceptable margin of variance.
Anstey's calculations also revealed the error in the secular Ptolemaic chronology, which some attempt to use.
Beginning dates of 457 - 454 BC place the beginning of the 70th week at 26 - 29 AD, with Christ's crucifixion at 29.5 - 32.5 AD. These dates are within generally accepted ranges.
With proper datings and methodologies, there are no issues in ascertaining the details of the 70 weeks.
So i came to ad 32 but i am 80 years off?You're using the secular and discredited Ptolemaic chronology, which is in error by 80 or more years. Use Anstey's instead.
So i put the words of man, not inspired, over the word of God, inspired, which shows otherwise.The letter is an accepted historical document. If you have any credible evidence to discredit it, please provide said evidence.
Cyrus never gave a command to restor the city, his command stated only the temple could be restored.It’s 483 years (7 weeks and 62 weeks) plus the gap time from the going forth of the command to Messiah the Prince.
Cyrus conquered Babylon in 539 BC, realeasing the children of Israel in his first year of reign, 538 BC.
538 years before Christ, the command to restore and build Jerusalem was issued by Cyrus.
Do you understand what the phrase Messiah the Prince means?
Do you believe that from the command of Cyrus to restore Jerusalem to the Messiah was 483 days?
Is that what you believe?
Do you understand it took 46 years to rebuild the Temple itself?
JLB
An inanimate idol does not make desolate.
An invading army does. The Roman army invading the holy city of Jerusalem (the holy place) bore pagan symbols of their emperor deities, which were abominations to the Jews.
No,Did this not answer your question?
Thanks,
DaDad
I have read something like these in the past also.Since I like to be fair and balanced, like FoxNews(lol), I did find the following article just now which argues against, and not for, that of Sir Robert Anderson in his book The Coming Prince.
https://www.neverthirsty.org/bible-...-the-correct-calculation-of-daniels-69-weeks/
Unfortunately I'm far from an expert in these type of things. At this point in time, until I maybe research these things more in-depth, it is difficult for me to judge which of the two articles I have submitted has the better date analysis arguments.
Why because he fits your interpreation?You're using the secular and discredited Ptolemaic chronology, which is in error by 80 or more years. Use Anstey's instead.
Simple solution to who will end the sacrifice: what new testament scripture states the antichrist or AOD will put and end to the sacrifice and offering?
Those passages don't say the (pronoun) AOD or AntiChrist caused the sacrifices to cease (that's an interpretation - that's what's being argued but there's still no real support for the argument).here's several Scriptures in the OT, in the book of Daniel, oddly enough, that says just that.
Daniel 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Daniel 12:11 clearly involves the end of the age. It is clearly referring to Daniel 11:31 for one. And if Daniel 12:11 involves the end of this age, then so must Daniel 11:31 involve the end of this age.
What I have done here is provided several passages, where the contexts involve both the ceasing of sacrifices, and an AOD. What your side then needs to do is this. Provide at least one context from the NT which supports your position
The way you are currently interpreting things though, you are obviously taking in the midst of the week to mean in the middle of it. Do you then think, based on that, that even He had died on the day that the 69th week ended, He would still rise in the midst of the 70th week, which would mean He rises 3.5 years after He dies? If that's not far-fetched, I don't know what is? If He dies at the end of the 69th week, this would clearly prove He can't be meant in verse 27 then, if the midst of the week is meaning 3.5 years into it.
I'm learning a lot around here though. Apparently Josephus: The Complete Works---must be holy writ, the fact those writings are being used in this thread, rather than Scripture, in order to allegedly prove certain events. I'm not saying you are doing that, but that these writings are being used in this thread, nonetheless, unless some of what has been posted can't be found on sites such as the following. https://www.ccel.org/ccel/josephus/complete.ii.xii.i.html --but can be found quoted in the Bible instead.
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