Where is OUR support?

[hippie]

So I was thinking that given all of the help the US has given for other natural disasters around the world that maybe the world would respond and help us out given the enormity of Katrina. So I Googled "hurricane relief" and I came up with.....1. The Canadian Red Cross is telling it's supporters to send money to the American Red Cross.

What about the rest of the world? Nada, zip, zilch the biog donut!!!

Here's my problem with the world...they are perfectly willing to criticize the US when we do something the disagree with; they are perfectly willing to tell us that we don't help enough when other countries have natural disasters but when it comes to them helping us? What a bunch of stinkin' hypocrits!

 

[freewilly]

Well the president of the Red Cross last night on CNN said she has recieived numerous offers from around the world, even from the Red Crescent imagine muslims helping the Great Satan, maybe they aren't all terrorists

 

[rosenherman]

Well the president of the Red Cross last night on CNN said she has recieived numerous offers from around the world, even from the Red Crescent imagine muslims helping the Great Satan, maybe they aren't all terrorists

That is so nice to hear. Even if we don't need it, it sure is nice to have someone offer.

 

[ScottishJohn]

So I was thinking that given all of the help the US has given for other natural disasters around the world that maybe the world would respond and help us out given the enormity of Katrina. So I Googled "hurricane relief" and I came up with.....1. The Canadian Red Cross is telling it's supporters to send money to the American Red Cross.

What about the rest of the world? Nada, zip, zilch the biog donut!!!

Here's my problem with the world...they are perfectly willing to criticize the US when we do something the disagree with; they are perfectly willing to tell us that we don't help enough when other countries have natural disasters but when it comes to them helping us? What a bunch of stinkin' hypocrits!

You want money? Practically every country in the world is poorer than the US yet you want money from them? Man alive! You guys are more than capable of taking care of yourselves. India even turned down foreign aid after the Tsunami, they felt they could take care of themselves, and the money would be better spent elsewhere.

The US get criticised because they have so much. Most developed nations do exactly the same - pledge money, but only send a portion of it.

http://www.oxfam.org.uk/press/relea...0105.htm?searchterm=pledged given aid tsunami

Our prayers are with those who are in need, but you guys certainly don't need our money.

 

[hippie]

You want money? Practically every country in the world is poorer than the US yet you want money from them? Man alive! You guys are more than capable of taking care of yourselves. India even turned down foreign aid after the Tsunami, they felt they could take care of themselves, and the money would be better spent elsewhere.

The US get criticised because they have so much. Most developed nations do exactly the same - pledge money, but only send a portion of it.

http://www.oxfam.org.uk/press/releases/asiaquake_geneva_100105.htm?searchterm=pledged%20given%20aid%20tsunami

Our prayers are with those who are in need, but you guys certainly don't need our money.

Yo John I don't want money from them. We are the richest nation on the planet and we are also the most generous. What I want is the offer of aid. When there is a disaster somewhere else in the world you (everyone outside the US) demands that we do something to help! How 'bout pretending you care and make an offer of aid? (even if it's not needed it's the thought that counts)

 

[ScottishJohn]

Yo John I don't want money from them. We are the richest nation on the planet and we are also the most generous. What I want is the offer of aid. When there is a disaster somewhere else in the world you (everyone outside the US) demands that we do something to help! How 'bout pretending you care and make an offer of aid? (even if it's not needed it's the thought that counts)

But what has any country got to offer that you don't already have? You have infrastructure, expertise, manpower, blood, money, equipment, volunteers all in abundance. Those affected by this hurricane are in the thoughts and prayers of people all around the world. What else can we do?

 

[hippie]

But what has any country got to offer that you don't already have? You have infrastructure, expertise, manpower, blood, money, equipment, volunteers all in abundance. Those affected by this hurricane are in the thoughts and prayers of people all around the world. What else can we do?

Yes we have all of those things and I thank GOD that we do but what would the world do if we took the position that when something happened such as the TSUNAMI...there's already lots of people helping and there's already lots of money!

All I'm saying is that from this American's perspective it seems a little ungrateful to not even ask if there is something that can be done! Even if the answer is "No but thanks for asking!"

Take a page from the Canadian Red Cross; they told their supporters to send money to the American Red Cross directly.

 

[Belteshazzar]

So I was thinking that given all of the help the US has given for other natural disasters around the world that maybe the world would respond and help us out given the enormity of Katrina. So I Googled "hurricane relief" and I came up with.....1. The Canadian Red Cross is telling it's supporters to send money to the American Red Cross.

What about the rest of the world? Nada, zip, zilch the biog donut!!!

Here's my problem with the world...they are perfectly willing to criticize the US when we do something the disagree with; they are perfectly willing to tell us that we don't help enough when other countries have natural disasters but when it comes to them helping us? What a bunch of stinkin' hypocrits!

I just saw on CTV Newsnet that the Canadian Red Cross is sending 150 - 200 of their best personel to help in relief efforts in response to a request from the American Red Cross.

Also a Canadian lady (in Halifax, NS I think?) is sending her monetary proceeds from a yard sale she had yesterday.

 

[hippie]

I just saw on CTV Newsnet that the Canadian Red Cross is sending 150 - 200 of their best personel to help in relief efforts in response to a request from the American Red Cross.

Also a Canadian lady (in Halifax, NS I think?) is sending her monetary proceeds from a yard sale she had yesterday.

Yeah...let's hear it for the Canadians

I always did like them...except for when they come to Old Orchard Beach....nah..even then they're okay!!

 

[Billnew]

Well the president of the Red Cross last night on CNN said she has recieived numerous offers from around the world, even from the Red Crescent imagine muslims helping the Great Satan, maybe they aren't all terrorists

I didn't see anything in the news today.
Nice to hear, maybe the news doesn't want the Americans to hear that other countrys might be friendly to us even though they didn't agree with the Iraq war?

Nothing on CNN, USA today, or Fox. Fox could tell the untold stories that the mainstream ignores but they don't seem to be.

The only place to get all the information is to frequent the forums, and watch the local news national section.
All we hear from major media is war, violence, hatred of America, hatred of Isreal, The abuse of followers of ISlam. Racism, sexism,
what happened to positive stories?

Hurricane stories: Man saves couple from alligators as car was filling with water.
and 20-30 stories of looting, and stealing of people that have lost almost everything.

This is anti-lib media bashing but just plain media bashing. No political siding here.

 

[ScottishJohn]

Yes we have all of those things and I thank GOD that we do but what would the world do if we took the position that when something happened such as the TSUNAMI...there's already lots of people helping and there's already lots of money!

The difference being in the Tsunami the countries hit did NOT have money infrastructure volunteers, or enough of most of the things we discussed. AND to make it worse some countries pledge ammounts that they never intend to give. At the end of the day you have it under control. On the other hand in the third world every year 6 million children die from malnutrition before their fifth birthday.

http://www.unmillenniumproject.org/facts/

All I'm saying is that from this American's perspective it seems a little ungrateful to not even ask if there is something that can be done! Even if the answer is "No but thanks for asking!"

Take a page from the Canadian Red Cross; they told their supporters to send money to the American Red Cross directly.

But you don't need money! Why divert money away from other causes where it is really needed!?

 

[rosenherman]

The difference being in the Tsunami the countries hit did NOT have money infrastructure volunteers, or enough of most of the things we discussed. AND to make it worse some countries pledge ammounts that they never intend to give. At the end of the day you have it under control. On the other hand in the third world every year 6 million children die from malnutrition before their fifth birthday.

http://www.unmillenniumproject.org/facts/




But you don't need money! Why divert money away from other causes where it is really needed!?

Because, maybe, if you give some of your surplus to our civilian efforts to aid your fellow human beings, then the government won't have to use money that could be sent to other countries when their tragedies happen.

 

[ScottishJohn]

Because, maybe, if you give some of your surplus to our civilian efforts to aid your fellow human beings, then the government won't have to use money that could be sent to other countries when their tragedies happen.

How much of the US aid pledged actually materialises in the country it is pledged to?
If two people fall down, a 19 year old guy and a 99 year old guy, who do you go to pick up?

Who needs our help most?

The tragedy is happening now - it is one continuous tragedy. Read the link I posted.

What happened in the US was bad. BUT it was a single event - you guys are handling it. What is happening (and has been happening before during and after the hurricane) in the third world is a much bigger and more serious disaster - it is well within our power to fix it, yet we choose not to.

 

[hippie]

But you don't need money! Why divert money away from other causes where it is really needed!?

Do you even bother to read what someone says? Or are you just to caught up in what you think they said. I clearly stated that we don't need the money. I also thought that it was clear that the offer of assistance would be nice EVEN IF IT WERE NOT ACCEPTED!!!

 

[Billnew]

How much of the US aid pledged actually materialises in the country it is pledged to?
If two people fall down, a 19 year old guy and a 99 year old guy, who do you go to pick up?

Who needs our help most?

.

How much aid actually materialises? Well, a big chuck is taken out by the recieving Goverment. Not for aiding the disaster, but to fill the coffers of the
leader.

Wouldn't you ask the 19 year old if he needed help?

Money would help, but sometimes extra equipment and hands could help more then money. Water production equipment, rescue equipment to get to the people. We have money, we have what we need but sometimes more equipment might help more poeple faster.

Sometimes it's just polite to offer assistance.

 

[meebs]

So I was thinking that given all of the help the US has given for other natural disasters around the world that maybe the world would respond and help us out given the enormity of Katrina. So I Googled "hurricane relief" and I came up with.....1. The Canadian Red Cross is telling it's supporters to send money to the American Red Cross.

What about the rest of the world? Nada, zip, zilch the biog donut!!!

Here's my problem with the world...they are perfectly willing to criticize the US when we do something the disagree with; they are perfectly willing to tell us that we don't help enough when other countries have natural disasters but when it comes to them helping us? What a bunch of stinkin' hypocrits!

id love to help personally, but i have no money. Yes America should get help if it needs it and wants it....

 

[ScottishJohn]

How much aid actually materialises? Well, a big chuck is taken out by the recieving Goverment. Not for aiding the disaster, but to fill the coffers of the
leader.

That's of the money that actually reaches the country in question. There is a lot of money pledged by countries like the US and UK which never actually leaves the US and UK.

After the earthquake in Bam in Iran (which killed 26,000) governments around the world pledged $1 billion. Less $120 million was actually donated by these governments. Similarly in the aftermath of Hurricane Mitch less than 50% of the $9 billion in aid pledged materialised. This is due to several factors - sometimes because the infrastructure to recieve the aid is damaged, so the aid never comes. Sometimes because unfair conditions are attached to the aid - profitting the donor country, like you have to buy our stuff, or use our companies, so the aid is never used. Sometimes because the attention shifts to the next disaster and money is transfered into a pledge for that disaster.

http://www.worldpress.org/Asia/2013.cfm

Note, however, that while Japan has already committed or contributed all of its original pledge (US$502.6 million), the US still has 59% of its original pledge (US$352.5 million) uncommitted.

http://www.realityofaid.org/rchecknews.php?table=rc_jun05&id=1

Wouldn't you ask the 19 year old if he needed help?

Maybe after I had helped the person who really NEEDED my help, ie could not get up on their own.

Money would help, but sometimes extra equipment and hands could help more then money. Water production equipment, rescue equipment to get to the people. We have money, we have what we need but sometimes more equipment might help more poeple faster.

Sometimes it's just polite to offer assistance.

You don't get it. Whatever the world sends to the US is resources which cannot be sent elsewhere where the need for those resources is greater.

In the rescue effort taking place in the US right now I can guarantee they use a triage style system, assessing the different needs and acting according to who is most needy. It is standard practise that you help the weakest first and take care of the strongest last.

The US has more than enough money equipment and hands to deal with this rescue effort. However elsewhere in the world there are people who really need our help.

 

[meebs]

The US has more than enough money equipment and hands to deal with this rescue effort. However elsewhere in the world there are people who really need our help.

it'd be nice if we could all help each other out when we needed it. Even african countries... Rather than it get political, we could all realise the human need...

 

[ScottishJohn]

it'd be nice if we could all help each other out when we needed it.

I agree. The US does not NEED our help, the Third World desperately NEEDS our help.

Rather than it get political, we could all realise the human need...

Where is the greatest need? Do you think it is good for the Third World to divert money and attention away from the humanitarian catastrophe they are in the middle of, and towards arguably the richest country in the world?

Sure we have compassion for those in the US, Sure they are in our prayers, we sympathise. They do not need any more money!

 

[meebs]

I agree. The US does not NEED our help, the Third World desperately NEEDS our help.



Where is the greatest need? Do you think it is good for the Third World to divert money and attention away from the humanitarian catastrophe they are in the middle of, and towards arguably the richest country in the world?

Sure we have compassion for those in the US, Sure they are in our prayers, we sympathise. They do not need any more money!

no my meaning is... i wish that the world were united enough and all equal enough in wealth and status to help each other, realising human need over money. Guess thats my wishing.

yeah i agree the third world needs it very badly more so than america., but i still feel bad for those american families!