Where Is Muhammad Ali Now?

awitch · Jun 8, 2016

sdowney717 said:
Absolutely!
No doubts about it.

Well, at least in hell I won't have to see the look on the victims' faces when they find out they'll be spending eternity with their rapist. I wonder if that's why child abuse is so common among clergy; it's not like they lose their spot in heaven for it, amirite?

That righteousness of yourself is unrighteousness with God, because God has already condemned you as a sinner, even if your not aware of your sins. To not repent and believe in Christ is disobedience to Gods command for all men everywhere to repent and believe in His Son.

Well, I'm not worried because I think heaven and hell are silly concepts and don't exist.

rockytopva · Jun 8, 2016

awitch said:
Well, at least in hell I won't have to see the look on the victims' faces when they find out they'll be spending eternity with their rapist. I wonder if that's why child abuse is so common among clergy; it's not like they lose their spot in heaven for it, amirite?

God will hold us accountable for the deeds done in our body...

14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. - Matthew 25

tatteredsoul · Jun 8, 2016

I think overall we will be very surprised who "makes it in," and who is "denied" on judgment day.

Robban · Jun 8, 2016

sdowney717 said:
Maybe because he is a famous dead muslim?

Unless you openly confess Christ before men, you wont be receiving any well done rewards from God.
Either you openly confess Christ, not secretly confess, or you deny Christ before men.
Secret confessors are not even mentioned by Christ here.

Confess Christ Before Men
32 “Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.

Christ Brings Division
34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ 37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.

Christ also says he is the way truth and the life, and no one comes to God except through Him, since He is the door to God.
If you dont agree with what He said, then your denying Christ as God come in the flesh. You're denying Christ before men.

Question,

If you were in the undertaking buisness, it was your living,(sounds a little creepy)

Would you con people, and take a lot of money from them (some get themselves into debt)

If you knew, (as you seem to ) that they were going to be cast into the lake of fire?

sdowney717 · Jun 8, 2016

Robban said:
Question,

If you were in the undertaking buisness, it was your living,(sounds a little creepy)

Would you con people, and take a lot of money from them (some get themselves into debt)

If you knew, (as you seem to ) that they were going to be cast into the lake of fire?

No, that would be against the commandments of God.
God is the judge, not me. If I took advantage of people in such a way, that would also make me a transgressor.

Taom Ben Robert · Jun 8, 2016

rockytopva said:
Jesus Christ had the audacity to say...

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John 14:6

I would not want to try eternity without him! If the Bible has it right, then the three-time heavyweight boxing champion is now coping with something far, far worse than Parkinson's disease.

The Scriptures also teach that we can't judge that heart , so where is Muhammad Ali , I don't know , although I hope he privately trusted Christ , but again , we can't judge the heart

Taom Ben Robert · Jun 8, 2016

awitch said:
You mean an eternity of punishment in hell...the place God created specifically for the souls of people who's crime was not believing.

Actually its original purpose was for the fallen angels

awitch · Jun 8, 2016

Taom Ben Robert said:
Actually its original purpose was for the fallen angels

An all knowing god would have known hell would be the garbage dump for human souls even if fallen angels were tossed in first.

MehGuy · Jun 8, 2016

Hard to love your fellow man when you think eternal torture is justified.

Hard to feel loved by people who hold the view that eternal torture is justified.

Must be a lonely cold life.

Robban · Jun 8, 2016

sdowney717 said:
No, that would be against the commandments of God.
God is the judge, not me. If I took advantage of people in such a way, that would also make me a transgressor.

Whichever way you turn, looks like you are in a piclkle,

or is it called, "painting yourself into a corner"?

Never mind, with God's help you may survive.

Steve Petersen · Jun 8, 2016

rockytopva said:
Jesus Christ had the audacity to say...

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John 14:6

I would not want to try eternity without him! If the Bible has it right, then the three-time heavyweight boxing champion is now coping with something far, far worse than Parkinson's disease.

Very charitable of you! No wonder Christians are love around the world!

topcare · Jun 8, 2016

rockytopva said:
Jesus Christ had the audacity to say...

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John 14:6

I would not want to try eternity without him! If the Bible has it right, then the three-time heavyweight boxing champion is now coping with something far, far worse than Parkinson's disease.

It is not ours to say where he is that is God's purview not ours

bhsmte · Jun 8, 2016

sdowney717 said:
Absolutely!
No doubts about it.
That righteousness of yourself is unrighteousness with God, because God has already condemned you as a sinner, even if your not aware of your sins. To not repent and believe in Christ is disobedience to Gods command for all men everywhere to repent and believe in His Son.

The serial killer who finds Jesus on death row and is saved, vs the Hindu who leads a life of helping others but is considered doomed, is a morally bankrupt theology.

bhsmte · Jun 8, 2016

rockytopva said:
God will hold us accountable for the deeds done in our body...

14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. - Matthew 25

Preaching and personal opinion.

Fizzywig · Jun 9, 2016

rockytopva said:
God will hold us accountable for the deeds done in our body...

14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. - Matthew 25

It would be good to hear from you the Word, which heals and reconciles, rather than the Word as text, which merely seeks to justify itself.

Catherineanne · Jun 9, 2016

sdowney717 said:
Jesus said this about condemnation. Notice those who do not believe are condemned already because they do not believe.
Jesus is the light of the world, those that follow Him will not walk in darkness by have the light of eternal life.
All those who hate the light also refuse to come to the light which is Christ because of their evil deeds.
But those who do come to the light and Christ, do so because their deeds are done in God, so God was at work within them to bring them to the light which is Christ.

The judgement of condemnation, so then hell, is already on them as a sentence from God for those who do not believe.

John 3
35 The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.
36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

John 3
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

True Christianity divides those of the world from the children of God. Not all are the children of God, but only those the Father has given to Christ as believers in Him. If your not of God, and His child, then you are of Satan and will go to be with your spiritual father, Satan, in hell upon your passing from this life into eternal death.

The children of God go to be with their Father, and by nature have eternal life as citizens of heaven, so a home with God and Christ and the Holy Spirit.

And the children of this world to their father, the devil and eternal death with a destiny of hell as their eternal home.

And the blessed Paul said that without love our faith is just so much discordant noise.

QED on that one; your post is as nails on a blackboard.

Catherineanne · Jun 9, 2016

awitch said:
Let's suppose the serial child rapist's conversion is completely sincere. He goes to heaven and I, the working, tax-paying, cartoon loving guy with a family and no criminal record, goes to hell. Yes?

That can only happen if God's morality is inferior to yours and mine, in which case hell will certainly be the better option of the two. Who would want to spend eternity worshipping a morally inadequate god?

Catherineanne · Jun 9, 2016

sdowney717 said:
Absolutely!
No doubts about it.
That righteousness of yourself is unrighteousness with God, because God has already condemned you as a sinner, even if your not aware of your sins. To not repent and believe in Christ is disobedience to Gods command for all men everywhere to repent and believe in His Son.

Nails on a blackboard.

The Lord never preached the gospel to anyone he did not first love, with a pure sacrificial love. Unless we can do the same, it is far better to keep quiet because we are not preaching condemnation to the other person, but to our own soul.

Catherineanne · Jun 9, 2016

MehGuy said:
Hard to love your fellow man when you think eternal torture is justified.

Hard to feel loved by people who hold the view that eternal torture is justified.

Must be a lonely cold life.

Heaven and hell are the same place, and that place is not about torture.

Anyone entering the presence of God with an awareness of his or her own sin will experience it as painful. But the pain is not physical, nor it is about punishment.

Catherineanne · Jun 9, 2016

bhsmte said:
The serial killer who finds Jesus on death row and is saved, vs the Hindu who leads a life of helping others but is considered doomed, is a morally bankrupt theology.

Matthew 25. The righteous Hindu is in.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25:31-46&version=NIV

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