Where is a "6000 year old earth" found in scripture?

SkyWriting · Sep 21, 2015

yeshuasavedme said:
So you know the mind of God, now, which somehow is from your mind, instead of from His mind; but His mind has given us His clear account in Genesis, corroborated by all Scripture!

In your mind, that is.
People often forget that reality is in your own mind,
and not always the same for others.

SkyWriting · Sep 21, 2015

miamited said:
Hi SW,
And you think the earth, on the day of its creation, was a hot molten planet.

That would be the only way to get all of geology to agree with the idea that Scientific Investigation
should would reveal that the earth is young. So no, I no longer think that science shows the earth to be young.

SkyWriting · Sep 21, 2015

yeshuasavedme said:
For Grief's sake! And here you are espousing Darwin, and denying The Word of God!!!

I haven't mentioned Darwin, and the scriptures describe an "old" earth complete with dirt and fruit the first week.
Does this look like your garden at the end of 7 days of planting?
(This picture comes from the description in Genesis.)
How old is this tree with fruit? Three days? Three weeks? Three Years?
How old is Adam?

yeshuasavedme · Sep 21, 2015

Adam was one day old on day 7 of creation week.
Whose got a problem with that?

Adam died age 930 years, on the day of the anniversary of his creation, states ancient Jewish writings.
Yom Kippur, the Atonement, was given to the Adam creation by God, at the fall, to rehearse yearly, at the turning of the years from creation, and to look forward to the Atonement of the promised Kinsman/Redeemer.

Moses did not institute it, but confirmed its relevance and sacredness of the promised Messiah who was to come.
Many of the tribes descended from Noah kept the yearly sacrifice as Adam had taught, but as Paul said, in Romans 1, "all men once knew/all nations once knew, but corrupted the truth, and changed the image of God..."

Israel was elected as the tribe through whom the promised Messiah would come, who would be that final acceptable Atonement; and that, for Believers in this Church age, was at Passover; but for the unbelieving nation of Israel, God will reveal that for them at their ordained Yom Kippur, at the end of the seven years of their time of trouble, which is yet to come: and which will be the final one for them, when He reveals Himself to them as their brother/Kinsman/Redeemer/Messiah/Salvation; for there will be no more Yom Kippur sacrifice for the first death of the Adam creation in Israel, for the millennial reign, for that will be finished to them, for them, once, for all, when they see their Messiah in person; and they will greatly mourn for Him, their brother/Kinsman, as the prophets state.

yeshuasavedme · Sep 21, 2015

Adam fell and got cast down out of Paradise in the the third heaven before he even had children...pretty fast fall.
By the time Seth was born, Adam had many sons and daughters, the principal players, only, are named in the Genesis account.
If you really had a picture of Adam in the Garden of Eden and dsyou wanted to know how old the trees and foliage were, there, you would just have to ask Adam how old he was, and then you'd know....but it is silly to show a picture and pretend that it means age when in fact, God gives the age of earth, when He covered it with vegetation, as three days old!

Mount Eden, a stretched out "breadth" of earth was no older than the stretched out heavens, and on day 3, God called the earth to bring forth the flora, so why is it hard to believe the vegetation in Paradise was any older than the entire creation, as stated in Genesis 1?
By the time God made the Adam firstborn of our kind, He had already prepared the Garden, in Eden, which is in the third heaven, as Scripture itself states; so when God raptured [took] Adam from off earth below to Paradise above, the garden was ready, and flourishing.

-57 · Nov 29, 2015

SkyWriting said:
That would be the only way to get all of geology to agree with the idea that Scientific Investigation
should would reveal that the earth is young. So no, I no longer think that science shows the earth to be young.

The geology..geological column we see was deposited by Noahs flood.
Recumbent folds testify to that.
If you try to fold strata laying on top of each other they will snap, crackle and pop. Not fold.

The recumbent folds were folded when they were still pliable. During or shortly after the flood.

SkyWriting · Nov 30, 2015

-57 said:
The geology..geological column we see was deposited by Noahs flood.
Recumbent folds testify to that.
If you try to fold strata laying on top of each other they will snap, crackle and pop. Not fold.
The recumbent folds were folded when they were still pliable. During or shortly after the flood.

Those are among my favorite mysteries and I agree that much seems to be soft folded.
But I wouldn't go blaming the flood for everything. Why should we?

There does seem to be some history in the layers.

-57 · Dec 1, 2015

SkyWriting said:
Those are among my favorite mysteries and I agree that much seems to be soft folded.
But I wouldn't go blaming the flood for everything. Why should we?

There does seem to be some history in the layers.

Cave formation form at different rates.
The flood would have created an environment for faster formation.

SkyWriting · Dec 1, 2015

-57 said:
Cave formation form at different rates.
The flood would have created an environment for faster formation.

Can we show that cave formations happen quickly....and under what conditions?

SkyWriting · Dec 1, 2015

yeshuasavedme said:
Adam was one day old on day 7 of creation week.
Whose got a problem with that?

And using your best scientific explanation, or that of anybody,
how old did he scientifically LOOK on day seven? A or B

A

B.

How old does that tree look?
How old does that fruit look?
How old do those mountains look?
The lake?
The beast in the meadow?
The age of those birds?

What age do they all LOOK LIKE using your best measuring
devices and observations?

SkyWriting · Dec 1, 2015

yeshuasavedme said:
Adam died age 930 years, on the day of the anniversary of his creation, states ancient Jewish writings.
Yom Kippur, the Atonement, was given to the Adam creation by God, at the fall, to rehearse yearly, at the turning of the years from creation, and to look forward to the Atonement of the promised Kinsman/Redeemer.

Moses did not institute it, but confirmed its relevance and sacredness of the promised Messiah who was to come.
Many of the tribes descended from Noah kept the yearly sacrifice as Adam had taught, but as Paul said, in Romans 1, "all men once knew/all nations once knew, but corrupted the truth, and changed the image of God..."

Israel was elected as the tribe through whom the promised Messiah would come, who would be that final acceptable Atonement; and that, for Believers in this Church age, was at Passover; but for the unbelieving nation of Israel, God will reveal that for them at their ordained Yom Kippur, at the end of the seven years of their time of trouble, which is yet to come: and which will be the final one for them, when He reveals Himself to them as their brother/Kinsman/Redeemer/Messiah/Salvation; for there will be no more Yom Kippur sacrifice for the first death of the Adam creation in Israel, for the millennial reign, for that will be finished to them, for them, once, for all, when they see their Messiah in person; and they will greatly mourn for Him, their brother/Kinsman, as the prophets state.

No argument.

-57 · Dec 1, 2015

SkyWriting said:
Can we show that cave formations happen quickly....and under what conditions?

What would more water seeping into a cave roof do?

Job8 · Dec 16, 2015

yeshuasavedme said:
Adam was one day old on day 7 of creation week. Whose got a problem with that?

That should be pretty obvious.

Adam died age 930 years, on the day of the anniversary of his creation, states ancient Jewish writings.

It's possible that that was the anniversary, but Scripture is silent on that. As to the 930 years, that too is quite obvious (Gen 5:5).

Where is a 6,000 year earth found in Scripture? Study the genealogies, and compare them with the chronology of the world, allowing for some error in Ptolemy's chronology.

yeshuasavedme · Dec 17, 2015

Job8 said:
That should be pretty obvious.

It's possible that that was the anniversary, but Scripture is silent on that. As to the 930 years, that too is quite obvious (Gen 5:5).

Where is a 6,000 year earth found in Scripture? Study the genealogies, and compare them with the chronology of the world, allowing for some error in Ptolemy's chronology.

History is not silent.
The "real" book of Jasher gives a complete chronology of the patriarchs and events and times and dates from creation to the going into Canaan after the Exodus and Joshua's battles to gain the land.

SkyWriting · Dec 17, 2015

yeshuasavedme said:
History is not silent.
The "real" book of Jasher gives a complete chronology of the patriarchs and events
and times and dates from creation to the going into Canaan after the Exodus and
Joshua's battles to gain the land.

But that is not the purpose of those writings.
Such records are not intended to be used
in that way.

SkyWriting · Dec 17, 2015

-57 said:
What would more water seeping into a cave roof do?

Wash away all the minerals.
See streams and rivers.

SkyWriting · Dec 17, 2015

Job8 said:
Where is a 6,000 year earth found in Scripture? Study the genealogies, and compare them with the chronology of the world, allowing for some error in Ptolemy's chronology.

If there are errors and adjustments needed, this shows that you are not reading
scripture with the correct intent.

What about the other 7 commandments? Should we adjust for the error and
follow all 17 commandments?

yeshuasavedme · Dec 18, 2015

SkyWriting said:
But that is not the purpose of those writings.
Such records are not intended to be used
in that way.

Says who?
The Book of Jasher indeed intends to, and leaves no room for doubt, that it is reording the entire timeline of the Patiarchs from creation until 17 years after the death of Joshua.
It even includes a good bit of the histories of the nations around Egypt while the children of Israel were in Egypt, which also sheds light on a lot of historical happenings in those lands.

SkyWriting · Dec 19, 2015

yeshuasavedme said:
Says who?

Says the 100's of people who each come up with a different result.
Evidently the methodology is flawed and the message from God, imaginary.

Besides there is the obvious list of flaws you have failed to answer.
In the "Word Picture" found in scripture and illustrated below,
what age are:

Adam
Eve
The Serpent
The Tree
The Fruit
The Mountain
The Lamb
The Cow
The shrubs
The bird
The dirt
Any rocks
sand
Organic material the plants grow in??

Did you include these age estimates in your estimates?

8Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

10A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12(The gold of that land is good; aromatic resind and onyx are also there.) 13The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush.e 14The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

15The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

18The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

19Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

yeshuasavedme · Dec 19, 2015

"Says the 100's of people who each come up with a different result.
Evidently the methodology is flawed and the message from God, imaginary."

Skywriting,
Please list your hundreds and show where they get their information. -even just ten will do.
The book of Jasher and Torah corroborate each other.
Even Paul said the law was 430 years from the promise, which the Book of Jasher/Upright record states, and to get that, he read the history as is recorded in "the Upright Record/Book of Jasher and as can be deducted by reading the Hebrew Torah.
Now, Stephen did not get it, not being a scholar nor raised on the Books like Paul, though he was the first Christian Martyr [and Jesus received his soul and spirit when his body was slain; so our facts can be in error but our hearts be in total true relation with the LORD Jesus, by the revelation of Him/New Birth]; but Luke recorded exactly what Stephen said, which was his own speech but not God's speech, for God cannot contradict Himself.
Luke faithfully recorded Stephen, but Paul corroborated the "Upright Record" [translated to "Book of Jasher"], on the number of years Israel was in Egypt, and Bishopp Usher's counting of the years was only off by 75 years, I think, by his not having the record plain enough for him to believe what it said in Genesis about the exact age of Terah when Abram was born, though it states in Torah that he was born when Terah was 70, which is exactly what the "Upright Record" states.

Where are your "hundreds", and how do they deny revealed Scripture in the Torah?

Where is a "6000 year old earth" found in scripture?

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