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where in the old testament does God command all of humanity to keep his Sabbath rest?

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Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23
Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" and we find the "making" of BOTH in Genesis 1:2-2:4.
Heb 4:9 "there REMAINS therefore a SABBATH rest for the people of God" -- "remains" from what? from "when"? -- the time of David in Psalms 96

Isaiah 56:1-8 - gentiles blessed for keeping the Sabbath.

Genesis 2:1-4 Adam and Eve given the Sabbath.
Exodus 20:11 Adam and Eve given the Sabbath

Acts 13 - gentiles worship God and hear the Gospel - Sabbath after Sabbath along with the Jews.

Acts 17:4 gentiles worship God and hear the Gospel - Sabbath after Sabbath along with the Jews.

Acts 18:4 - gentiles worship God and hear the Gospel - every Sabbath -- along with the Jews.
 
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Here we have section 19 of the Westminster - and of course you already have a few posts of mine quoting the "Baptist Confession of Faith"

Westminster Confession of Faith Section 19
"Westminster Confession of Faith"
Chapter XIX
Of the Law of God
I. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which He bound him and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience, promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it.

II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables: the first four commandments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.
III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits;l and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament

IV. To them also, as a body politic, He gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the State of that people; not obliging under any now, further than the general equity thereof may require.

V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof; and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it. Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.
VI. Although true believers be not under the law, as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified, or condemned; yet is it of great use to them, as well as to others; in that, as a rule of life informing them of the will of God, and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their nature, hearts and lives; so as, examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against sin, together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ, and the perfection of His obedience It is likewise of use to the regenerate, to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin: and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve; and what afflictions, in this life, they may expect for them, although freed from the curse thereof threatened in the law The promises of it, in like manner, show them God's approbation of obedience,and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof: although not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works. So as, a man's doing good, and refraining from evil, because the law encourages to the one and deters from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law: and not under grace

VII. Neither are the forementioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but do sweetly comply with it; the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely, and cheerfully, which the will of God, revealed in the law, requires to be done.

Section 21 of the Westminster and Section 22 of the Baptist both address point 7 "the change" the edit of the Sabbath commandment from the 7th day starting from creation and all through the OT and NT Gospel until the cross where it is "changed" in their mind -- to point to week-day-1.[/QUOTE]
 
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- D.L. Moody notices that some are opposed to the Sabbath Commandment - but notice how this sermon on the TEN Commandments also fits the summary of 7 points listed here on page 1??

http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
.

The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was
- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai.
How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

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This Sabbath Commandment section of Moody's Ten Commandm[FONT=&quot]ent sermon goes quot]on with more detail. Here is a segment of that same section -- the en[FONT=&quot]ding concluding segment - that might help she[FONT=&quot]d even more light on Moody's Intent - #229 post is on this[/QUOTE]
 
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by contrast - NO Command in all of scripture saying -

"week-day-1 is the Sabbath"
"week-day-1 is the Lord's Day"
"week-day-1 is holy to the Lord"
"remember week-day-1"
"from week-day-1 to week-day-1 shall all mankind come before Me to worship"
"week-day-1 was made for mankind"
 
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The Baptist Confession of Faith - section 19 almost identical to the Westminster section 19 quoted above.

Notice how they both fit that 7 point summary already posted on page 1?

Baptist Confession of Faith Section 19

Section 19:

C.H. Spurgeon's edition of the "Baptist Confession of Faith"
-- CH Spurgeon


The Perpetuity of the Law of God

Very great mistakes have been made about the law. Not long ago there were those about us who affirmed that the law is utterly abrogated and abolished, and they openly taught that believers were not bound to make the moral law the rule of their lives. What would have been sin in other men they counted to be no sin in themselves. From such Antinomianism as that may God deliver us. We are not under the law as the method of salvation, but we delight to see the law in the hand of Christ, and desire to obey the Lord in all things. Others have been met with who have taught that Jesus mitigated and softened down the law, and they have in effect said that the perfect law of God was too hard for imperfect beings, and therefore God has given us a milder and easier rule. These tread dangerously upon the verge of terrible error, although we believe that they are little aware of it.

Section 19 of the "Baptist Confession of Faith" .

Section 19
. The Law of God

  • God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.


  • The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the TEN COMMANDMENTS, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.


  • Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.


  • To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it __________________
 
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Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23
A future occurrence.
Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND not mankind MADE for the Sabbath"
Jewish understanding (John Mark was Jewish) of "man" or "mankind" referred primarily to Jews.
Heb 4:9 "there REMAINS therefore a SABBATH rest for the people of God"
"People of God" again referring to the Jews. (after all - that entire book is primarily addressed to New Covenant believing Jews)
Acts 13 - gentiles worship God and hear the Gospel - Sabbath after Sabbath along with the Jews.
Acts 17:4 gentiles worship God and hear the Gospel - Sabbath after Sabbath along with the Jews.
Acts 18:4 - gentiles worship God and hear the Gospel - every Sabbath -- along with the Jews.
Absolutely. Gentiles are "Grafted In" meaning that they/we get to participate in and be part of the "commonwealth of Israel." Eph 2.12
 
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Remember also, some branches were ripped off the vine too, then thrown into the fire. There is no "group" salvation. It's up to each individual and ALL are invited to drink of the Living waters. Let no one make a second class citizen of you. No king or priest or man of stature is above any of us in God's eyes. Thank goodness!
 
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Remember also, some branches were ripped off the vine too, then thrown into the fire.
You are mixing your parables. The Vine and the Tree are NOT the same thing.
There is no "group" salvation.
Take it up with God who inspired Jeremiah and Paul (and others) to say otherwise.

Jer 31.33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Rom 11.26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
“The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”
27 “This is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”
28 From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;

And lest you think Paul is talking about the Church as "all Israel," I included verse 28 which declares "all Israel" as currently being enemies of the gospel. i.e. NOT the church.
 
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I still see it as spiritual Isreal. Like those grafted in. I just can't fathom people who lived and died and denied the existence of the Savior being left standing when the dust settles. If all Isreal literally will be saved, then what about all the Proverbs and Psalms stressing the penalty for sin? What about the law? The law breakers? Why would He present the law if He wasn't going to enforce it? What about those who spit in Christ's face and hit him while His head was covered? I don't see all Isreal buying the Jesus thing until they see Him, like Thomas. What need would they have for a relationship with Messiah? I gotta run right now. I'm interested in your take, as always. I'll be back this evening, with God's grace. Peace be with you.
 
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You are mixing your parables. The Vine and the Tree are NOT the same thing.

Take it up with God who inspired Jeremiah and Paul (and others) to say otherwise.

Jer 31.33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Rom 11.26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
“The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”
27 “This is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”
28 From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;

And lest you think Paul is talking about the Church as "all Israel," I included verse 28 which declares "all Israel" as currently being enemies of the gospel. i.e. NOT the church.

So you think "all Israel" which include in large parts people who deny Jesus Christ will be saved?
 
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So you think "all Israel" which include in large parts people who deny Jesus Christ will be saved?
Let me add one word to your question: " ... people who CURRENTLY deny Jesus Christ ..."

Yes. They will come to recognize HIM as the Jewish Messiah and will repent. ALL of them.
 
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I still see it as spiritual Isreal.
I see the term "spiritual Israel" as a modern christian construct with little scriptural support. IOW - I do not believe such an animal exists.
I just can't fathom people who lived and died and denied the existence of the Savior being left standing when the dust settles.
You are looking at the wrong picture. "All Israel" means all alive at that time.
I don't see all Israel buying the Jesus thing until they see Him, like Thomas.
Except Our Lord said the opposite has to happen; they have to believe and call on Him BEFORE they can see him:

Matt 23.37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
38 Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!
39 For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

That last phrase is a quote from Ps 118.26 and was a major part of the Jewish marriage customs of the day.

Who is HE speaking to? Jerusalem.
Who was in Jerusalem? Jews. The leaders of the Nation.

And according to Zech 14.4, when HE returns, His foot sets down on the Mount of Olives, the exact same location where this Matt 23 statement was made. So UNTIL some kind of critical mass of Jewish believers in Yeshua/Jesus, which includes part of the Jewish leadership, starts looking for the coming of HIM as their bridegroom, HE will not return to earth.
 
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I see this verse referring to Jews who "see" Him, iow come to recognize Him as their Saviour. Those that call themselves Messianic...
In one sense, but it has a much more literal physical meaning.

IMO you are spiritualizing it.

Does it not say that when HE returns EVERY EYE would see Him?
 
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Let me add one word to your question: " ... people who CURRENTLY deny Jesus Christ ..."

Yes. They will come to recognize HIM as the Jewish Messiah and will repent. ALL of them.
That's not what Jesus said about the Jewish nation and what they cursed themselves and their children when they accused Jesus. And Paul wrote that the unbelieving branch is cut-off and wild branch is grafted in.

My wife is of the Sephardic descendant and I have many dear Messianic Jewish friends. I wished all of Jews would repent. But the bible tells us the way is straight and narrow, a few that find it. I don't see salvation happening for the Jews as a nation, but as individuals.
 
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And Paul wrote that the unbelieving branch is cut-off and wild branch is grafted in.
He also wrote in the same passage that if they drop their unbelief they would be grafted back in as well.

And then says "All Israel shall be saved."
 
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He also wrote in the same passage that if they drop their unbelief they would be grafted back in as well.

And then says "All Israel shall be saved."

Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

Matt 2
14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Of course all of Israel shall be saved. Israel is Jesus and His followers from beginning to end.
 
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I see the term "spiritual Israel" as a modern christian construct with little scriptural support. IOW - I do not believe such an animal exists.

You are looking at the wrong picture. "All Israel" means all alive at that time.

Except Our Lord said the opposite has to happen; they have to believe and call on Him BEFORE they can see him:

Matt 23.37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
38 Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!
39 For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

That last phrase is a quote from Ps 118.26 and was a major part of the Jewish marriage customs of the day.

Who is HE speaking to? Jerusalem.
Who was in Jerusalem? Jews. The leaders of the Nation.

And according to Zech 14.4, when HE returns, His foot sets down on the Mount of Olives, the exact same location where this Matt 23 statement was made. So UNTIL some kind of critical mass of Jewish believers in Yeshua/Jesus, which includes part of the Jewish leadership, starts looking for the coming of HIM as their bridegroom, HE will not return to earth.

This was Jesus prophesying the unbelieving Jews who plotted to kill him will be resurrected to see his second coming.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Daniel tells us the same thing.

Daniel 12
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
 
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He also wrote in the same passage that if they drop their unbelief they would be grafted back in as well.

And then says "All Israel shall be saved."

Yes ALL of Israel shall be saved. Who is Israel? All who have faith in Christ Jesus.
 
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