Where does scripture say God wants us to be sick?

[Strong in Him]

I'm happy with my results...are you happy with yours?

Happy with the knowledge that God loves me very much and will never let nme go no matter what happens? You bet!

That's too bad that you've rejected the Love of God too!!! No wonder you get sick and have all these problems...you refuse to love other members of the Body of Christ!

No mate, I will never be your brother - I'm a woman! I am not refusing to love anyone, and am happy to be your sister in Christ.

 

[Maccie]

You haven't answered my questions, rockrz. Are you afraid to?

 

[Rockrz]

What questions? And, no I'm not afraid. Fear is a sin...

 

[Rockrz]

All I have to say about the WOF movement, it that it has disillusioned so many toward true Christianity when they did not get the healing or wealth they were promised by the WOF preachers. Then the preachers claim it is not God's fault but the believers lack of faith. Many have left the church disillusioned and with no faith in God. I really feel for those who faith has been shaken by these wolves in sheeps clothing. I have do enough research to know that these teaching of the WOF preachers are not Biblical, as well as the off the wall things that these preachers say.

Wow! You have research that proves God's Word is a lie, and God does not honor His promises?

That research must have come from satan and sons research underground. I hear their stock is really hot!

 

[Strong in Him]

Fear is a sin...

So if you came face to face with a lion, it would be a sin to be afraid that it might attack you?

 

[Strong in Him]

Wow! You have research that proves God's Word is a lie, and God does not honor His promises?

That research must have come from satan and sons research underground. I hear their stock is really hot!

Yeah, he's quite good at getting folks to misinterpret the word of God, and keeps their eyes on physical health instead of on Jesus.

 

[Rockrz]

Yeah, he's quite good at getting folks to misinterpret the word of God, and keeps their eyes on physical health instead of on Jesus.

That's funny...it's all inclusive where God is concerned! Too bad you don't get this.

God IS Love, and Love is concerned about every aspect of your existance!
It's a shame that you haven't learned this about our Heavenly Father...He really is good, all the time about everything!

 

[Strong in Him]

I know God is love, he is concerned about every aspect of our lives, it doesn't mean they are going to always be perfect though. Go back and read what I have said, and then think about the questions I asked - such as why did people in the New Testament become sick, and Paul didn't pray for their healing?

 

[Maccie]

These questions:

And you haven't answered my questions. Have you ever broken a leg or an arm? Did you walk on it straight away? If you have children, or know close friends who have children, how would you "claim" their healing? Or would they have to "claim" it themselves? And if you have a chicken poxy child, I'd like to see your faith after a sleepless night looking after a feverish, itchy child who couldn't seem to believe they had their healing already.

This is the third time of asking. Do try to keep up!

 

[Maccie]

PS : and you could answer Strong in Him's questions while you are about it. You keep telling us how stupid we are, and how we are missing the point, and how much better you are, and you imply that we are not really Christian at all, BUT YOU NEVER ANSWER OUR REALLY VERY SIMPLE QUESTIONS. Which is, of course, the mark of a manipulative, devious person.

 

[Rockrz]

And you haven't answered my questions. Have you ever broken a leg or an arm? Did you walk on it straight away? If you have children, or know close friends who have children, how would you "claim" their healing? Or would they have to "claim" it themselves? And if you have a chicken poxy child, I'd like to see your faith after a sleepless night looking after a feverish, itchy child who couldn't seem to believe they had their healing already

No, I haven't because I've been believing God for protection and He has always honored His Word where my physical body is concerned.

I don't have kids, but have friends who do and they teach their kids that they don't have to have sickness & disease because Jesus took it for them. The little ones walk in divine health quicker than adults, because most of the people I know that have kids don't have a problem with them getting sick.

It's the un-believing adults that give up their child-like faith that have a hard time believing this and get sick all the time. Too bad...

PS : and you could answer Strong in Him's questions while you are about it. You keep telling us how stupid we are, and how we are missing the point, and how much better you are, and you imply that we are not really Christian at all, BUT YOU NEVER ANSWER OUR REALLY VERY SIMPLE QUESTIONS. Which is, of course, the mark of a manipulative, devious person.

Your questions are like the ones the Pharisees and the Sadducees asked Jesus. You don't ask to learn...you ask to accuse and to find fault. Hey, this is not my message, but the One who sent me!

Plus, I never accused you of not being a Christian...I just said you choose to not believe parts of the Bible, which is your right to do.

I see you conveniently call me a manipulative, devious person which is what the devil is whispering in your ear about now...

 

[Maccie]

There was a PS to my questions:

PS - and what about Epaphroditus, Trophimus and the others of Paul's friends who were ill? To say nothing of Paul himself? When he was stoned and left for dead, did he leap up shouting "I claim my healing" and trot off with no wounds, lacerations etc. still bleeding? No, he had to wait for the other believers to get him.

And Kayanne asked about sick babies and children, those born sick or deformed, those born with mental incapacity, and those who die in the womb.

I think we'd all like to hear your answers.

And don't try to get out of it by suggesting the Devil is whispering in my ear. He isn't. I can think up my own questions, thank you.

 

[Rockrz]

Just because some of Paul's friends were sick doesn't prove that God hasn't provided for our healing. It just means they didn't access it at that point in their lives, probably because they were just learning what our rights and privileges were in Christ Jesus. (kinda like some of the folks on this board..only difference is they didn't have the entire Word of God in front of them like we do!)

Now Paul did get into some major trouble and most of it was due to lack of knowledge at that particular time in his life. Contrary to popular carnal religious belief, Paul didn't know everything...he was in the process of learning, just like all of us are.

Now here's what Paul should have (and later on did) learned:

John 14:12 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

What happened when Jesus went to the Father??? He sent the Holy Spirit, Who empowers us and leads and guides us. Paul was just learning how to be lead by the Holy Spirit, otherwise he could have done what Jesus did when they tried to kill Him several times...simply walk away and they couldn't touch him! I've actually done this myself several times, 4 times while looking down the barrel of a loaded gun!

The last record we have of Paul shows him preaching and teaching, and it says "no man forbid him"...Paul finally learned how to preach the gospel with such power that nobody could stop him!

Acts 28:30,31 - And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

It's only folklore that says Paul was killed because of his preaching. Nobody can prove anything other than what Acts 28:30,31 says! Besides, they certainly couldn't kill Jesus, and He said we would do the works that He did! This is why I base my faith in Jesus above everyone else. Carnal man-made religion doesn't teach this because it teaches people that what you see is the way it is (carnal minded, not spritual minded according to Romans ch.8)

God does not cause sick babies and children, those born sick or deformed, those born with mental incapacity, and those who die in the womb...the devil does. It's a direct result of sin being in this earth due to Adam and Eve's screwup.

Why does God allow this to happen? The same way He allows people that don't get born-again to go to hell....

Mankind has been given a New Covenant with God, but only few have actually taken Him up on His deal...God only demands that mankind have a choice to chose Him and be free from the devil in this world and in the world to come. He does not demand that man receieve Him, because we have a free will.

 

[SPALATIN]

Wow! You have research that proves God's Word is a lie, and God does not honor His promises?

That research must have come from satan and sons research underground. I hear their stock is really hot!

No she didn't say that God's word is a lie. She said that the Word of Faith teachers like Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagen etc are lies. You must believe in the Name it and claim it Gospel. It doesn't exist.

 

[Strong in Him]

It just means they didn't access it at that point in their lives, probably because they were just learning what our rights and privileges were in Christ Jesus. (kinda like some of the folks on this board..only difference is they didn't have the entire Word of God in front of them like we do!)

You keep making this judgement about us, it's not scriptural. You keep being given examples of people who have believed the same as you, sincere believing, confessing Christians, who have had their views changed because they did get sick and did not get healed. Obviously you are going to say that these people must be at fault in some way, because otherwise you'd have to admit your teaching is wrong. (And you can't even admit you made a mistake in calling me a man! Instead you accused me of not loving you.)

You have the entire word of God in front of you too, it seems you only read the bits you want to read.

The last record we have of Paul shows him preaching and teaching, and it says "no man forbid him"...Paul finally learned how to preach the gospel with such power that nobody could stop him!

Acts 28:30,31 - And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

It's only folklore that says Paul was killed because of his preaching. Nobody can prove anything other than what Acts 28:30,31 says! .

Oh dear! Acts does not record the end of Paul's life, it is likely that he was released after these two years were up, travelled a bit more, wrote some more letters (1+2 Timothy and Titus) before being rearrested in AD 64. (Source: IVP New Bible commentary page 1107) Then again, the IVP Bible dictionary says that there are some early Christian documents that indicate that Paul was martyred under Nero in AD 67 (IVP New concise Bible dictionary P 413 1989 ed.) Both reference books however, (and probably others, I haven't checked all my commentaries) say that these three letters were written towards the end of Paul's life, and that 2 Timothy was written while he was in prison. We can glean this from reading the letter -


"And of this Gospel I was appointed a herald and an apostle and a teacher. That is why I am suffering as I am." Chapter 1vv11+12

"May the Lord show mercy to the household of Onesiphorus because he ...... was not ashamed of my chains." (Chapter 1v16)

"This is my Gospel for which I am suffering, even to the point of being chained like a criminal" (Chapter 2v9)

"For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time has come for my departure." (Chapter 4v6)

"I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race." (4v7)


Paul was under house arrest at the end of Acts, even welcoming visitors. This is the end of Luke's account - not of Paul's life.

Folklore?? I think not, rather research done by some very learned and able Bible scholars.

 

[Rockrz]

You must believe in the Name it and claim it Gospel. It doesn't exist

That's strange...it's how you get born-again! In fact, you can't get born-again without faith and confession! Our entire existance is controlled by words...

Romans 10:8-10 -*But what saith it (righteousness which is of faith)? The Word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Colossians 2:6 - As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him. (we spoke Words of Faith to get born-again, and we are to be doing the same as we live for Jesus!)

Psalms 103:5 - God satisfies your mouth with good things; so that your youth is renewed like the eagle's.

Mark 11:23-25 - For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he says shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he says....therefore I say unto you, What things so ever you desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them....and when ye stand praying, forgive.
(see...Jesus is a Word of Faith guy!!!)

Matthew 12:35-37 - A good man out of the good treasure of the heart brings forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things....but I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment....for by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned.

Luke 17:6 - And the Lord said, If you had faith in the same way you had a grain of mustard seed, you would say....it should obey you.

Proverbs 18:21 - death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

James 1:26 - If any man among you seem to be religious, and does not control his tongue, but deceives his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

1 Corinthians 2:12,13 - Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual

Only through the Holy Spirit can the tongue be tamed and controled...

James 3:2-6 - For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.
3 *Behold, we put bits in the horses' mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body.
4 *Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.
5 *Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
6 *And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

Any of you that wonder why you have so many problems in life, but you reject the fact that what you says matters, check out James 3:2-6

Jesus seemed to think words were very important...is that a good enough witness for you?

Matthew 12:37 -*For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

 

[Carlos Vigil]

C'mon, man...get your argument together here, or all your friends will become Word of Faith people

You said it was a mis-guided thought to think you should suffer here...
Then, you go and say you are going to stay sick for God's glory...
What are you saying anyway? Do you even know?

Jesus' Father was God...James' father was Joseph. They both had the same mother, but different fathers. This makes them half brothers...

Where do you get your information to make that claim ?

The scriptures I read say that James the older, is a son of Zebedee, along with John.
and James the younger is the son of Cleopas (Alphaeus) and Mary, a relative of Mary the Mother of Jesus.

I am curious to learn from you ...what is your source that James is the son of Joseph, half brother to Jesus ?

 

[Rockrz]

what is your source that James is the son of Joseph, half brother to Jesus ?

The Bible! We know that Jesus was concieved in Mary's womb by the Word of God sent to her by an angel. Mary "pondered" God's Word in her heart, and then said OK (she agreed with God's Word). She was a virgin when all this took place, and even after she gave birth to Jesus. She had never known Joseph sexually. (they's never done the wild thang, OK!)

This means God was Jesus' physical Father. God is the one who provided the perfect DNA that made up Jesus. The Blood running through Jesus' veins was perfect Blood because no sinful earthly father provided this blood. When you study a little about medical science, you'll find that the blood of a child is provided by the father, not the mother.

So, we know that there was only one Jesus...right?
This means James' father was Joseph, and not Father God!

Considering this, Jesus and James had different fathers...and this is what makes them half brothers. Both of them may have been raised by Joseph, but Joseph was only responsible for causing James to be born, not Jesus.

 

[Erik3]

The primary way I keep sickness off of me is by continually putting God's Word into my spirit, speaking it, and acting on it.

How do you put God's word into your spirit?

How do you go about acting on God's word to prevent sickness?

I mean, what are the specific actions you do?

Thanks

 

[seebs]

The Bible! We know that Jesus was concieved in Mary's womb by the Word of God sent to her by an angel.

Er, I think you just committed a formal heresy. The Jesus is the Word. Not "was conceived by".