Forgive me, but first of all, the question should be phrased where DO babies go after they die. If a child dies before the age of reason, it will go to heaven, where a merciful and loving God can comfort and heal him/her.
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But where does babies go after death? They say in some cases they go to hell, or they go to heaven.
They also say babies don't know God when they are made. But I for one knew God as He was making me. When I was born. So, I believe that I was saved when I knew Him. I was gifted with some kind of Holy Spirit.
I don't know. I didn't believe this one women that said. NO Animals or babies go to heaven. I don't believe in that. IS she right?
That's a keeper! God Bless!Babies are with JESUS
That too is a keeper. Thanks! God Bless!I like that.
Here is an icon (they are tools meant to teach spiritual realities, among other things) of Christ, with those who died as babies. This should give some clues about what we believe about babies who die or are killed.
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So, Jesus was lying?But what about those whose bodies have been incinerated and their ashes were cast away at sea? How will they hear? What about those corpses whose inner ears (to hear) have decayed away?
No, Jesus told the thief that day, he would be with him in Paradise. Jesus then went to hell, for the next 3 days;Jason0047 said:Jesus told the thief on the cross that He would be with him that day in Paradise.
No. Jesus told a PARABLE, about the gospel being taken from the nation of Israel, and given to the Gentiles.Jason0047 said:Jesus told us about a narrative of what happens when a person dies. Jesus describes a place like hell and He briefly mentions a good place (Abraham's bosom) where the saints go.
Hogwash. There is no "spiritual realm within the heart of the Earth", that's pagan nonsense. The phrase "heart of the Earth" is synonymous with "grave".Jason0047 said:Jesus is in the heart of the Earth for 3 days and 3 nights. This cannot be the grave because Jesus was not buried deep beneath the Earth or in some kind of deep sink hole. Jesus was literally in the center of the Earth. He was in the spiritual realm within the heart of the Earth.
Not according to Jesus;Jason0047 said:Jesus spoke to the spirits in prison (Which was no doubt in the heart of the Earth).
There is no "Pre-Trib Rapture". NO ONE is raised from the dead to immortality until Jesus returns to the earth forever, and there are only 2 resurrections, the righteous "at his coming", and the wicked plus all that die DURING the 1,000 year reign on the earth at the end of the 1,000 years (Rev 20)Jason0047 said:After the Pre-Trib Rapture:
The saints who are martyred for Jesus during the Tribulation by the anti-christ cry out to God for vengeance under God's alter up in Heaven. This is the breaking of the 5th seal.
Hey! We agree on this one!!Jason0047 said:When Christ returns, we then see saints follow Jesus into the battle of Armageddon.
The entire person is in the grave. Their breath is gone, they aren't thinking, they have "returned to dust" exactly like Jehovah/YHVH God said (Gen 3:19).Jason0047 said:As for John 5:28-29:
The way I understand this passage is that when it comes time for the new physical body to be resurrected, it will come forth as a part of the resurrection and have ears to hear. It does not suggest that the soul or the spirit is resting with the body or ashes that are scattered across the entire sea.
Exactly! And what God gave is BREATH! (Gen 2:7)Jason0047 said:"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." (Ecclesiastes 12:7).
You are ignoring Paul's repeated teaching of the RESURRECTION!!! In sleep there is NO knowledge of time! Paul's next waking thought will be as a resurrected, immortal being!Jason0047 said:Paul says, for me to live is Christ, and to die is gain (Philippians 1:21).
It does not really sound like one is gaining anything if one is taking a dirt nap.
Again! Spirit=breath in this context, and MANY others.Jason0047 said:James says, the body without the spirit is dead (James 2:26). So obviously the spirit is not with the body when it is dead; Otherwise, James would be lying (and that is not possible).
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Totally off topic.So, Jesus was lying?
John 5:28-29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
The angel was lying to Daniel?
Dan 12:2-3 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
David was confused?
Ps 17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.
Job was wrong?
Job 19:25-27 "As for me, I know that my Redeemer lives, And at the last He will take His stand on the earth. 26 "Even after my skin is destroyed, Yet from my flesh I shall see God; 27 Whom I myself shall behold, And whom my eyes will see and not another. My heart faints within me!
Paul didn't know what he was talking about?
1 Cor 15:20-23 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. 21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming
1 Cor 15:51-53 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Sorry, I believe all of them.
No, Jesus told the thief that day, he would be with him in Paradise. Jesus then went to hell, for the next 3 days;
Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
No. Jesus told a PARABLE, about the gospel being taken from the nation of Israel, and given to the Gentiles.
Hogwash. There is no "spiritual realm within the heart of the Earth", that's pagan nonsense. The phrase "heart of the Earth" is synonymous with "grave".
Not according to Jesus;
Luke 4:16-21 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
Jesus, BY THE SPIRIT, preached to those in prision (the captives).
There is no "Pre-Trib Rapture". NO ONE is raised from the dead to immortality until Jesus returns to the earth forever, and there are only 2 resurrections, the righteous "at his coming", and the wicked plus all that die DURING the 1,000 year reign on the earth at the end of the 1,000 years (Rev 20)
Hey! We agree on this one!!
The entire person is in the grave. Their breath is gone, they aren't thinking, they have "returned to dust" exactly like Jehovah/YHVH God said (Gen 3:19).
You are attempting to read pagan theories into Christ's clear simple statement.
Exactly! And what God gave is BREATH! (Gen 2:7)
You are ignoring Paul's repeated teaching of the RESURRECTION!!! In sleep there is NO knowledge of time! Paul's next waking thought will be as a resurrected, immortal being!
Again! Spirit=breath in this context, and MANY others.
Babies are with JESUS
Not according to Peter.
Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens:
You see, David NEVER did end up in heaven.
In fact, the ONLY human that EVER ended up in God's presence is Jesus (John 3:13 .. and NO man hath ascended up to heaven, except the son of man, which is in heaven.)
I don't know where to post this question. So, staff members, I need some guidance for this post so I post it here.
But where does babies go after death? They say in some cases they go to hell, or they go to heaven.
They also say babies don't know God when they are made. But I for one knew God as He was making me. When I was born. So, I believe that I was saved when I knew Him. I was gifted with some kind of Holy Spirit.
I don't know. I didn't believe this one women that said. NO Animals or babies go to heaven. I don't believe in that. IS she right?
Yessir, I think you are right!It may be that you and I have different interpretations of these passages.
The author of that article has "a different interpretation" of the passage than I do. The author is frantically attempting to overlook the obvious meaning of Jesus' words, AND the rest of Scripture.Robert76 said:The following article was helpful for me in understanding John 3:13:
Does John 3:13 mean that no one went to Heaven before Jesus?
That's not what the text says..... so a wonderful question is .... WHY??Robert76 said:My understanding of the Acts reference to David was with regard to his earthly body, though his soul returned to God.
I don't know where to post this question. So, staff members, I need some guidance for this post so I post it here.
But where does babies go after death? They say in some cases they go to hell, or they go to heaven.
They also say babies don't know God when they are made. But I for one knew God as He was making me. When I was born. So, I believe that I was saved when I knew Him. I was gifted with some kind of Holy Spirit.
I don't know. I didn't believe this one women that said. NO Animals or babies go to heaven. I don't believe in that. IS she right?
Bolded above: Not according to the apostle Paul. He explains such in 2 Corinthians 4 through 2 Corinthians 5.Babies, and ALL of God's creatures, return to dust. They are asleep in the dust. They are asleep in the graves.
All humans are waiting for one of two different resurrections. All people who die before Jesus returns, and who have been righteous, will be resurrected at his return to immortal life.
All people who die before Jesus returns, and are wicked, will be resurrected to judgment, confession, and destruction.
Yes, David did not bodily resurrect and ascend into Heaven. That was Jesus Christ of course truly God and truly man. So the context is bodily resurrection. Notice Peter is presenting the Gospel of Christ crucified, died, buried, risen and ascended. He is not giving a dissertation on JW or SDA 'soul sleep.'Not according to Peter.
Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens:
You see, David NEVER did end up in heaven.
In fact, the ONLY human that EVER ended up in God's presence is Jesus (John 3:13 .. and NO man hath ascended up to heaven, except the son of man, which is in heaven.)
Not remotely. Paul doesn't contradict this Scriptural statement in any way.Bolded above: Not according to the apostle Paul. He explains such in 2 Corinthians 4 through 2 Corinthians 5.Dartman said:Babies, and ALL of God's creatures, return to dust. They are asleep in the dust. They are asleep in the graves.
All humans are waiting for one of two different resurrections. All people who die before Jesus returns, and who have been righteous, will be resurrected at his return to immortal life.
All people who die before Jesus returns, and are wicked, will be resurrected to judgment, confession, and destruction.
From the OP...The fact that the Bible teaches the dead are actually dead, and "sleeping in the dust", is off topic??? How do you figure?
But where does babies go after death? They say in some cases they go to hell, or they go to heaven.
There is no other kind of resurrection. The very definition of the word, along with EVERY Scripture on the subject proves this.Yes, David did not bodily resurrect and ascend into Heaven. That was Jesus Christ .. So the context is bodily resurrection.
Please show how babies are treated differently than ANY other human. When the OP specifically asks about death, the discussion of death is NOT off topic.From the OP...
The OP's subject is 'babies' not all people. It appears to me, as it did others, that what they are asking is where babies will be for eternity, heaven or hell.
Yessir, I think you are right!
The author of that article has "a different interpretation" of the passage than I do. The author is frantically attempting to overlook the obvious meaning of Jesus' words, AND the rest of Scripture.
Jehovah plainly stated; YOU are dust, and to dust YOU will return. (Gen 3:19)
The Scriptures plainly state, the dead are not alive; Isa 38:1 ... Thus saith Jehovah, Set thy house in order; for thou shalt die, and not live.
That's not what the text says..... so a wonderful question is .... WHY??
Why do you inject this notion??
Satan is the origin of the notion that the dead aren't really dead; Gen 3:4 ... "thou shalt NOT surely die".
And, this doctrine is the core belief of all pagan teachings.
By contrast, the Scriptures teach dead=not live
Revelation 20:5
The rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years should be finished. This is the first resurrection.
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