Where do YOU fit in?

[Redwolf]

I realize that this subject has been discussed ad infinitum. But, it is so important that we SEE that participation in God's eternal government has requirements. Even as secular governments do.
Please look at scripture with a prayerful mind, and don't be distracted by what MEN say.
Redwolf
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Is this what you want?

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Or is this what you want?

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

He, meaning Jesus, does NOT SAY some of them, but all of them.
Then, don't you need to ask yourself WHY do I participate in something HE does not want?

Is this who you are?

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.[/FONT]
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Is this what you don't understand?

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]5. Did the apostles say that grace gives us a free ticket to break the commandments?[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Romans 6:14-16 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.[/FONT]

Or is this who you are?
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I'm with the ONE who made the Commandments.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Are you?[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Psalms 111:7-8 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.


[/FONT] Good reading.
http://www.bismarcksda.org/commandments.html
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[wanderphilos]

Matthew 22:37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[a] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[b] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Where do I fit in?
I adhere to these two commandments.
They come from the proverbial 'horses mouth'. The only real question is defining how you go about "Loving" someone. I believe that most christians have a more difficult time determining the parameters of Loving more than anything else. ex.

A kills B because B killed C. Are we the one's who are to determine justice? What if your relative is A,B, or C.

Where do you fit in?

 

[Redwolf]

Where do I fit in?
I adhere to these two commandments.
They come from the proverbial 'horses mouth'. The only real question is defining how you go about "Loving" someone. I believe that most christians have a more difficult time determining the parameters of Loving more than anything else. ex.

A kills B because B killed C. Are we the one's who are to determine justice? What if your relative is A,B, or C.

Where do you fit in?

A careful look will tell you that Jesus gives a synopsis of the TEN.
The first four..............Love God
The last six..............your neighbor as yourself.

Also, scripture does not contradict itself. And except for Psalms, the scripture I used is from the NT.

 

[theend0218]

"You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?" Galatians 3:1-3

I have never kept all the Law nor have I kept all of Christ commandments. I say this, not to boast, but to admit that I am in need of God's amazing grace daily. I find that the more I focus on the Law the worse I do. I recognize that many verses can be quoted back and forth on this subject, but for me personally I find that the Law does in fact stir up sin due to the weakness of the flesh, and that any progress I make in living for Jesus would leave me short of heaven if that is all I had to offer. In other words, if I am not acceptable to God in Christ then I will never be acceptable. Glory to God for loving me, for sending His son to die and live again on my behalf, and for bringing me to Him through His gracious gift, the Spirit of Life. Sometimes He leads me kicking and screaming; sometimes I am in neutral and flow. All good and precious gifts are from above. I want to look to Him and live in Him by the same grace that first thought to provide my Lord that I may live. Peace to all.

 

[Tamara224]

"You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?" Galatians 3:1-3

I have never kept all the Law nor have I kept all of Christ commandments. I say this, not to boast, but to admit that I am in need of God's amazing grace daily. I find that the more I focus on the Law the worse I do. I recognize that many verses can be quoted back and forth on this subject, but for me personally I find that the Law does in fact stir up sin due to the weakness of the flesh, and that any progress I make in living for Jesus would leave me short of heaven if that is all I had to offer. In other words, if I am not acceptable to God in Christ then I will never be acceptable. Glory to God for loving me, for sending His son to die and live again on my behalf, and for bringing me to Him through His gracious gift, the Spirit of Life. Sometimes He leads me kicking and screaming; sometimes I am in neutral and flow. All good and precious gifts are from above. I want to look to Him and live in Him by the same grace that first thought to provide my Lord that I may live. Peace to all.

Praise God! His grace is sufficient!

 

[ElijahSK]

Great topic.

In the ABC senario I would tell B to remember that vengence in the Lord's and He will repay. If B is not willing to forgive, B will not be forgiven. 1Jo 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Just a few more verses on the post of the topic. Consider what the Spirit says to the seven churches. To the church of Ephesus, He says to him that overcomes He will grant to eat from the tree of life. Saying that they must overcome for eternal life. To the church of Smyrna, He says that to him who overcomes he will not be hurt by the second death. To the church of Pergamos, He says to him that overcomes He will give a white stone with a name inside of it that no one knows but he that received it. Rev 19:12 says that this is the name of the rider of the white house. That is Christ, so if you don't overcome you will not have that stone, you will not know Christ, you will not be of Christ. To the church of Thyatira He says to him that overcomes and keeps His works until the end He will give the right to rule with Him as God gave Him that right and will give him the morning star. The true Christians will rule with Christ so if you don't overcome Christ says you're not to be named among them. To the church of Sardis He says to him that overcomes He will give a white raiment and not blot his name out of the Lamb's Book of Life. The white raiment symbolizes holiness, and the other I'm sure you know what that means. To the church of Philadelphia, He says to him that overcomes He will right the name of His God, the city of God and His new name on him. To those that don't overcome they aren't worthy of His name. To the church of the Laodecians He says to him that overcomes as He overcame He will grant to sit with me on His throne as He sits on the throne with His Father. We who are in Christ are seated in heavenly places at the right hand of the Father. But it seems He says you are not in Him if you don't overcome. This is what He said to every church. No matter what church you think yourself to be in, you must overcome.

Now just some scriptures supporting the point of this topic.

Psa 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord. 2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart. 3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways. 8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly. 9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word. 11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Jam 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; 3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience 4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. 12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. 22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.0

 

[Redwolf]

Praise God! His grace is sufficient!

Perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining exactly what grace is......or shall I say, what grace does.

Does it release you from being a law-abiding citizen of God's government?

Please explain it in your words. Thank you.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]5. Did the apostles say that grace gives us a free ticket to break the commandments?[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Romans 6:14-16 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.[/FONT]

 

[Redwolf]

Great topic.

In the ABC senario I would tell B to remember that vengence in the Lord's and He will repay. If B is not willing to forgive, B will not be forgiven. 1Jo 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Just a few more verses on the post of the topic. Consider what the Spirit says to the seven churches. To the church of Ephesus, He says to him that overcomes He will grant to eat from the tree of life. Saying that they must overcome for eternal life. To the church of Smyrna, He says that to him who overcomes he will not be hurt by the second death. To the church of Pergamos, He says to him that overcomes He will give a white stone with a name inside of it that no one knows but he that received it. Rev 19:12 says that this is the name of the rider of the white house. That is Christ, so if you don't overcome you will not have that stone, you will not know Christ, you will not be of Christ. To the church of Thyatira He says to him that overcomes and keeps His works until the end He will give the right to rule with Him as God gave Him that right and will give him the morning star. The true Christians will rule with Christ so if you don't overcome Christ says you're not to be named among them. To the church of Sardis He says to him that overcomes He will give a white raiment and not blot his name out of the Lamb's Book of Life. The white raiment symbolizes holiness, and the other I'm sure you know what that means. To the church of Philadelphia, He says to him that overcomes He will right the name of His God, the city of God and His new name on him. To those that don't overcome they aren't worthy of His name. To the church of the Laodecians He says to him that overcomes as He overcame He will grant to sit with me on His throne as He sits on the throne with His Father. We who are in Christ are seated in heavenly places at the right hand of the Father. But it seems He says you are not in Him if you don't overcome. This is what He said to every church. No matter what church you think yourself to be in, you must overcome.

Now just some scriptures supporting the point of this topic.

Psa 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord. 2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart. 3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways. 8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly. 9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word. 11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Jam 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; 3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience 4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. 12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. 22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.0

Thank you for your effort. Much appreciated.

 

[Redwolf]

"You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?" Galatians 3:1-3

I have never kept all the Law nor have I kept all of Christ commandments. I say this, not to boast, but to admit that I am in need of God's amazing grace daily. I find that the more I focus on the Law the worse I do. I recognize that many verses can be quoted back and forth on this subject, but for me personally I find that the Law does in fact stir up sin due to the weakness of the flesh, and that any progress I make in living for Jesus would leave me short of heaven if that is all I had to offer. In other words, if I am not acceptable to God in Christ then I will never be acceptable. Glory to God for loving me, for sending His son to die and live again on my behalf, and for bringing me to Him through His gracious gift, the Spirit of Life. Sometimes He leads me kicking and screaming; sometimes I am in neutral and flow. All good and precious gifts are from above. I want to look to Him and live in Him by the same grace that first thought to provide my Lord that I may live. Peace to all.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me. Phil 4:13

To say otherwise is to deny HIS power in our life and the power of the Holy Spirit.
Thank you for your witness.
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[Tamara224]

Perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining exactly what grace is......or shall I say, what grace does.

Does it release you from being a law-abiding citizen of God's government?

Please explain it in your words. Thank you.

Grace is a free gift from God which allows us to follow the Spirit of the law rather than the letter of the law. In our own strength/ability, we cannot obey the law. Indeed, the law just shows us how sinful we are. But God's grace frees us from the yoke of the law.

I do not think God's grace should/can be used as an excuse to sin. However, I believe it means that I can approach God, despite my sins. I believe walking in and being led by the Spirit (which I am able to do only by God's grace) means that I do not have to consult the letter of the law to determine my standing with God.

Rather than focusing my mind on whether I am following every law, I focus my mind on living up to the two commands which sum up all the law and the prophets. If I am loving God with all my heart, soul, mind and strength, and loving my neighbor as myself, I will not transgress.

 

[Redwolf]

Grace is a free gift from God which allows us to follow the Spirit of the law rather than the letter of the law. In our own strength/ability, we cannot obey the law. Indeed, the law just shows us how sinful we are. But God's grace frees us from the yoke of the law.

I do not think God's grace should/can be used as an excuse to sin. However, I believe it means that I can approach God, despite my sins. I believe walking in and being led by the Spirit (which I am able to do only by God's grace) means that I do not have to consult the letter of the law to determine my standing with God.

Rather than focusing my mind on whether I am following every law, I focus my mind on living up to the two commands which sum up all the law and the prophets. If I am loving God with all my heart, soul, mind and strength, and loving my neighbor as myself, I will not transgress.

From the dictionary:

Grace:

1. Seemingly effortless beauty or charm of movement, form, or proportion.
2. A characteristic or quality pleasing for its charm or refinement.
3. A sense of fitness or propriety.
4. 1. A disposition to be generous or helpful; goodwill.
   2. Mercy; clemency.
5. A favor rendered by one who need not do so; indulgence.
6. A temporary immunity or exemption; a reprieve.

We need not be concerned with the first three meanings.

You keep the Ten if you keep the TWO, since the TWO are a synopsis of the TEN.

If you are saying that grace is unmerited favor given when laws are broken, you say correctly.
Grace does not give us permission to break God's laws. Grace gives us another chance, a TEMPORARY immunity or excemption, a REPRIEVE.

From James 2:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Swiss, Geneva, Sans Serif]10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Swiss, Geneva, Sans Serif]11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Swiss, Geneva, Sans Serif]12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

God's law judges us just as civil law does. Only the consequences are more dire with disobedience to God.
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[lorali]

This is what I get from your comments. Your saying you keep every commandment and you do not sin.
If this is the case, for you to claim you do not sin and you keep every commandment then you must be perfect!! Pat on your back to you!!

I guess this means you'll live forever too!
Considering Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death!!!
Where do I fit in?

Thats God's descion not mine, not anyones.
Romans 8:15
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

I can only hope and pray and repent from evil and have faith in God and worship him and love him with all my heart and soul and mind. And yes do the works that are a part of worship and do the best I can to not fall onto the sins of my flesh, but there are times when I become weak but I have to REPENT from it!
I can tell you were I hope I fit in.
Heaven.
Not because the other option is hell.
Not because it's so great.
Not because you have no saddness or pain.
Not to see family members.
But because I want to serve God. I want to do nothing more than to please him and make him happy.
On earth and in Heaven!!!!!!
So the question is What is it YOU dont understand?
Thanks.

 

[Redwolf]

This is what I get from your comments. Your saying you keep every commandment and you do not sin.
If this is the case, for you to claim you do not sin and you keep every commandment then you must be perfect!! Pat on your back to you!!

I guess this means you'll live forever too!
Considering Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death!!!
Where do I fit in?

Thats God's descion not mine, not anyones.
Romans 8:15
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

I can only hope and pray and repent from evil and have faith in God and worship him and love him with all my heart and soul and mind. And yes do the works that are a part of worship and do the best I can to not fall onto the sins of my flesh, but there are times when I become weak but I have to REPENT from it!
I can tell you were I hope I fit in.
Heaven.
Not because the other option is hell.
Not because it's so great.
Not because you have no saddness or pain.
Not to see family members.
But because I want to serve God. I want to do nothing more than to please him and make him happy.
On earth and in Heaven!!!!!!
So the question is What is it YOU dont understand?
Thanks.

Thank you. Very nice testimony.

 

[Tamara224]

The modern dictionary definition of the English word 'grace' is not helpful to this discussion. The 'grace' I was referring to is the Greek word 'charis' which is defined as:

1. good will, loving-kindness, favour
   1. of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues

You keep the Ten if you keep the TWO, since the TWO are a synopsis of the TEN.

That's what I said...If I keep the two I will not transgress. However, the Two encompass more than just the Ten...Jesus said the two summarize the law and the prophets.

If you are saying that grace is unmerited favor given when laws are broken, you say correctly.

It is unmerited favor, full stop. It goes beyond the initial moment of salvation and repentence. God deals with us through grace throughout our Christian walk.

Grace does not give us permission to break God's laws.

Never have I said that it does.

Grace gives us another chance, a TEMPORARY immunity or excemption, a REPRIEVE.

Temporary? hmmm...temporary. So how long does it last then? A minute, a day, a year? Grace doesn't grant us a temporary immunity... The blood of Jesus washes our sins away...as far as the east is from the west. The are forgiven, forgotten, gone. Our righteousness is Christ's righteousness. We are granted that righteousness through faith, which is a gift from God. Grace facilitates this process...it's not temporary, it is ongoing. God's unmerited favor is everlasting, not temporary. His lovingkindness endures forever.

Romans 3: 19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. 28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. 29 Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

Romans 4:
13 It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14 For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, 15 because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.

Romans 5:
1Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand.

God's grace (unmerited favor) gives us the ability to uphold the law. We are not under the yoke of the law anymore in that we no longer need to attempt to follow every command. We never could follow the commands on our own anyway. Now, we enter into a personal relationship with God and He writes the law on our hearts. We walk in the spirit, are led by the Spirit, and in doing so we do not need to place ourselves under the law. This is not the same as saying we are free to sin. It means we are free from sin...no longer slaves to sin. We can now, for the first time, uphold the law because we are no longer under the law. I stand in grace and now have the ability I once lacked to obey the law.