Discussion Where do false prophets go

[geetrue]

So where do we go? You know the men and women that prophesied that Donald Trump would win this National Election?
I don't think I am alone
I believe with all of my heart that God told me that Donald Trump would win the next election and that he would then give up the WHite House to VP Mike Pence.
An angel told me this (Angels are messengers of God) while I was in the waiting room of my doctors heart clinic two years ago.
I have repeated it many times to my church and to others, but with all the outstanding states showing blue and Biden/Harris declaring victory this morning the fact that Trump lost will soon become reality.

My God does not lose elections. Sounds more like God planned this all along to me to wrestle the White House away from Donald Trump and let the bad guys (the left wing radicals) take over. God is still God no matter who is in the WH.

Why did so many prophets get it wrong that Trump would win? Perhaps Donald Trump did win ... he still has money right? Lots of it too, plus property, plus a nice wife and family ...
So what did he lose? He didn't lose anything, in fact he has gained his freedom from being the POTUS to live out his life in the small space of time that he has left.
Now what about VP Mike Pence taking over the WH? Even I had that Word of Knowledge that VP Pence would take over the WH ...

 

[mourningdove~]

So where do we go? You know the men and women that prophesied that Donald Trump would win this National Election?
I don't think I am alone
I believe with all of my heart that God told me that Donald Trump would win the next election and that he would then give up the WHite House to VP Mike Pence.
An angel told me this (Angels are messengers of God) while I was in the waiting room of my doctors heart clinic two years ago.
I have repeated it many times to my church and to others, but with all the outstanding states showing blue and Biden/Harris declaring victory this morning the fact that Trump lost will soon become reality.

My God does not lose elections. Sounds more like God planned this all along to me to wrestle the White House away from Donald Trump and let the bad guys (the left wing radicals) take over. God is still God no matter who is in the WH.

Why did so many prophets get it wrong that Trump would win? Perhaps Donald Trump did win ... he still has money right? Lots of it too, plus property, plus a nice wife and family ...
So what did he lose? He didn't lose anything, in fact he has gained his freedom from being the POTUS to live out his life in the small space of time that he has left.
Now what about VP Mike Pence taking over the WH? Even I had that Word of Knowledge that VP Pence would take over the WH ...

Brother ...
The election is not over yet.

MANY have heard that Donald Trump would win.
Did they ALL hear wrong? Really, we do not know yet ...

Many of us have prayed and prayed about this election ...
so very many ...
and it would seem that the election is not going the way we had thought.
But God is not finished yet here with this ... and so do not be discouraged ...

I firmly believe now that we must continue to pray ... for a fair election ...
... and for our President, who so does need our prayers at this time.

It is time for God's intercessors to prevail in prayer ...
and yes, we trust Him with the outcome ...

God bless

 

[Dkh587]

If God tells you something will happen, and it does not happen, such as a president being elected, then it was not God talking to you.

if you made a prophesy, and it failed, then you are a false prophet, and God’s people should not listen to you.

the bottom line is, lots of false prophets will be exposed by Trump not officially re-elected.

 

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What the OP is referring to in this thread is certainly a conundrum. I've also heard several people prophesy that Trump would be re-elected too. If it turns out that he loses, then it should give people caution and pause before they speak out on things like this again. I believe God gives grace to people who make wrong predictions. False prophecices are not the only way to determine if someone isn't from God, however. We must look at the fruit of their conduct and words too. I also believe there's grace and mercy for people who get it wrong. Thank God we don't live in the OT where people would literally kill us over something false. I know a lot of people do just that in today's age with their words and sentiments, but not so with the Lord. Surely, we must ask God to forgive us when we get something like this wrong, but life moves on. The question and bottom line is: Will prophets and the people of God learn from their mistakes? And will Trump (if he in fact goes on to lose) continue with God? Or will he throw away Christianity on account of those around him giving him things that werent from God. (namely his reelection)

 

[mourningdove~]

Before we start declaring persons as 'false prophets' ...
we first need to know that this election was fair.

Though the mainstream media and the Democrats are pronouncing Biden the winner ...
the election results are being contested. So ...

It will be the courts ... and not the media or the Democrat party ...
that will determine the winner.

Pray ... continue to pray ... for a fair election ...
no matter what side of the fence one is on ...
because this election continues ...
it is not over.

If half the country believes this election has been stolen ...
as many now do ...
that will not be good for America.

Again ...
What is needed right now is prayer ...

It is too soon to start calling anyone a false prophet.

Let's not do it.
In the name of Love, let's not go there ...

 

[paul1149]

The election is not over yet.

This^. The media, who gave us biased coverage, who gave us biased polls, does not determine the winner. The courts will have to speak as to the legitimacy of the vote.

 

[Hazelelponi]

So where do we go? You know the men and women that prophesied that Donald Trump would win this National Election?
I don't think I am alone
I believe with all of my heart that God told me that Donald Trump would win the next election and that he would then give up the WHite House to VP Mike Pence.
An angel told me this (Angels are messengers of God) while I was in the waiting room of my doctors heart clinic two years ago.
I have repeated it many times to my church and to others, but with all the outstanding states showing blue and Biden/Harris declaring victory this morning the fact that Trump lost will soon become reality.

My God does not lose elections. Sounds more like God planned this all along to me to wrestle the White House away from Donald Trump and let the bad guys (the left wing radicals) take over. God is still God no matter who is in the WH.

Why did so many prophets get it wrong that Trump would win? Perhaps Donald Trump did win ... he still has money right? Lots of it too, plus property, plus a nice wife and family ...
So what did he lose? He didn't lose anything, in fact he has gained his freedom from being the POTUS to live out his life in the small space of time that he has left.
Now what about VP Mike Pence taking over the WH? Even I had that Word of Knowledge that VP Pence would take over the WH ...

I knew Donald Trump would win the 2016 election early on in the primaries; but this one (2020) I didn't even think my vote mattered to the point I wondered whether I would even be alive to vote at all...

Here's what I would say, if you think an angel told you that Donald Trump would win the white house, and then doesn't end up winning, then you weren't listening to an Angel of God - you were listening to something far more demonic (which was just a deception)

God's sovereign will happens without fail, no one has more power than Him.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Before we start declaring persons as 'false prophets' ...
we first need to know that this election was fair.

Though the mainstream media and the Democrats are pronouncing Biden the winner ...
the election results are being contested. So ...

It will be the courts ... and not the media or the Democrat party ...
that will determine the winner.

Pray ... continue to pray ... for a fair election ...
no matter what side of the fence one is on ...
because this election continues ...
it is not over.

If half the country believes this election has been stolen ...
as many now do ...
that will not be good for America.

Again ...
What is needed right now is prayer ...

It is too soon to start calling anyone a false prophet.

Let's not do it.
In the name of Love, let's not go there ...

The problem is both sides will believe the election stolen, depending on who comes out on top.

If it be Trump loses in court, then the right will believe the election stolen.

If it be Trump wins in court, just like the last 4 years the left will believe Trump illegitimate.

Right now it matters little who wins, half the country believes it's illegitimate.

That's a recipe for civil war no matter who ends up sitting in the white house. We should be praying for our country, our nation, not our chosen candidate right now.

 

[mourningdove~]

The problem is both sides will believe the election stolen, depending on who comes out on top.

If it be Trump loses in court, then the right will believe the election stolen.

If it be Trump wins in court, just like the last 4 years the left will believe Trump illegitimate.

Right now it matters little who wins, half the country believes it's illegitimate.

That's a recipe for civil war no matter who ends up sitting in the white house. We should be praying for our country, our nation, not our chosen candidate right now.

Yep.

However, Donald Trump is still our President.
As our President, I believe he does still deserve our prayers.

Note: I am not saying to pray that he wins. That is an individual decision.
But to pray for our leaders? That is biblical.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Yep.

However, Donald Trump is still our President.
As our President, I believe he does still deserve our prayers.

Note: I am not saying to pray that he wins. That is an individual decision.
But to pray for our leaders? That is biblical.

I definitely agree with that..

 

[geetrue]

Here's what I would say, if you think an angel told you that Donald Trump would win the white house, and then doesn't end up winning, then you weren't listening to an Angel of God - you were listening to something far more demonic (which was just a deception)

God's sovereign will happens without fail, no one has more power than Him.

Agreed God is always in control and Jesus is the same today, yesterday and tomorrow

I finally figured it out ... My God does not lose elections ... He sent a lying spirit into the mouths of all the prophets that prophesied that Trump would be the next POTUS ... I was one of them, but Pat Robertson was right in there with me

 

[Hazelelponi]

Agreed God is always in control and Jesus is the same today, yesterday and tomorrow

I finally figured it out ... My God does not lose elections ... He sent a lying spirit into the mouths of all the prophets that prophesied that Trump would be the next POTUS ... I was one of them, but Pat Robertson was right in there with me

While we still don't know the court outcome, I would be inclined to agree with you here.

At any rate, don't be discouraged by the deception, rather be encouraged because it will help you to become more discerning in the future.

In the end, what matters is that we follow Christ in all our ways... we can do that under any president, and in any circumstance.

 

[mourningdove~]

Yes, we do not yet know the outcome of the election ...
so, therefore, it is way too soon to declare that the USA is full of many false prophets.

Dr. Michael Brown posted this video (below) on Facebook.

In it, he shares a short word of guidance about prophetic ministry and the elections.

I think there is wisdom in what he has to say.

From Dr. Brown ...

AskDrBrown on Facebook Watch

 

[lismore]

Hello geetrue.

I posted this scripture on this forum before, but in my experience of the AOG Pentecostal Church just about everyone I fellow-shipped with there has received some sort of false prophecy or false word of knowledge, the damage which is done to a person's life can take years to heal:

How long will this continue in the hearts of these lying prophets, who prophesy the delusions of their own minds? (Jeremiah 23:26)

Pat Robertson gave a false prophecy in 2012 that Mitt Romney would win. He gave another prophecy this year. That people still listen to him is amazing. But for a false prophet in the modern Charismatic movement there is no scrutiny or accountability, no result or push back. The show must keep on the road, kerching.

Compare it to the biblical view, the false prophet is punished. Deuteronomy 13:5.

The lack of consequences or accountability for false prophets is poisoning the well. There are well meaning people around, with misguided but not malevolent motives, then there are also wolves in sheep's clothing.

I think the best advice I ever received was what the bible says, that a person must be slow to speak and quick to listen and that not many should speak.

Don't be down-hearted. A word from the Lord is wonderful and powerful. It's good to want to hear from the Lord, but we must be sure before we speak. The more valuable something is the rarer it is and the harder to get hold of.

Overall I think 2020 will be the year that the Lord started cleaning house. We have seen how few of the 'prophets' shared any inkling about the coming Covid Virus and they seem to have got it wrong over Trump. They constantly drone on about 'blessings' meaning money and about 'revival', (both without a need for truth or repentance I might add). Micah also spoke of the false prophets in his day:

Micah 3: 5 This is what the LORD says: “As for the prophets who lead My people astray, who proclaim peace while they chew with their teeth, but declare war against one who puts nothing in their mouths: Therefore night will come over you without visions, and darkness without divination. The sun will set on these prophets, and the daylight will turn black over them. Then the seers will be ashamed and the diviners will be disgraced. They will all cover their mouths
because there is no answer from God.”As for me, however, I am filled with power by the Spirit of the LORD, with justice and courage, to declare to Jacob his transgression and to Israel his sin.

God Bless

 

[lismore]

If God tells you something will happen, and it does not happen, such as a president being elected, then it was not God talking to you.

if you made a prophesy, and it failed, then you are a false prophet, and God’s people should not listen to you.

the bottom line is, lots of false prophets will be exposed by Trump not officially re-elected.

I agree with what you're saying. As for the false prophets being exposed I hope so, especially given their lack of clarity over Covid.

However Kenneth Copeland prophesied that the Covid would be gone by April 6th, people will still hang on his every word, send him money, etc. No push back for him. We're in the last days before the Lord's return, even Christians are deceived and following strong delusions. God Bless

 

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Hey lismore: Do you have any advice for prophets that know they are called from God as far as not getting words wrong? You mentioned being slow to speak and quick to hear and slow to anger. Do you have any other pieces of advice?

 

[mourningdove~]

We have seen how few of the 'prophets' shared any inkling about the coming Covid Virus and they seem to have got it wrong over Trump.

Hi lismore.

For political reasons, most of the mainstream media, in conjunction with the Democrat party, are currently working very hard here in America to very swiftly confirm the 'appearance' that Donald Trump has lost the election ... but the election is actually not over yet.

Election results are being contested now due to much reporting of voter fraud, irregularities, etc. And the Electoral College does not meet until December 14th, to actually cast their votes for President. And then ... well, here is a link explaining our process ...

What's next? Saturday's election verdict isn't last step

So, though most of the mainstream media has eagerly 'declared' it, Joe Biden is not officially the President-elect yet.

The results of this election here in America are very important as both parties have a very different vision for America. If this election is not handled properly ... determined fair and legitimate ... it is going to hurt America badly.

I share all that to say that my reason for getting involved in this discussion is simply to remind geetrue that ... despite appearances ... the election is not over yet. And that being the case, it really is too soon to start calling anyone a false prophet for their 'word' about Donald Trump being re-elected ... because we just don't know yet whether he has been, or not.

Personally, I heard no 'word' about this election nor did anyone I personally know. And as for those that did hear 'words'? Though I do believe in prophetic ministry, I generally don't put much stock in 'words' of that sort ... for reasons like you shared in your earlier post.

God bless.

 

[tturt]

The problem is OT about prophets is being applied now. In the OT God spoke primarily to a few prophets and their words were weighed. Some believe that's one reason why Jonah didn't want to go to Nineveh because what he was speaking from God wouldn't happen because the people would repent.

Now God speaks to us all (John 10:27) and wants us to prophecy (I Cor 14:1). No believer is going to serve God with no errors.. Not every person prayed for is going to be healed, etc But that doesn't keep us from praying for healing and believing in Him, etc.

False prophets lead people away from God. Matt 24:11, 24; II Pet 2:1

God's prophets do want to hear and speak accurately. What is to be done with a prophetic word, a thus saith the Lord God?. "'Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (I Thess 5:20-21). So what prophets say is to be tested.

Some additional steps are needed to prove all things such as:
-checking it against Scripture (Acts 17:11),
-asking The Holy Spirit and hearing His voice getting confirmation (Matt 18:16; Acts 9;9-19 especially v 10-12; II Cor 13:1)
-fasting,
-spiritual discernment,
-does it point to Yeshua,
-receiving G_dly counsel (Prov 11:14).

Then when it has been proven, there's warfare in the spirit realm. "This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before concerning thee, that thou by them mightest wage a good warfare," I Tm 1:18

 

[geetrue]

The problem is OT is being applied now. In the OT God spoke primarily to a few prophets and their words were weighed. Some believe that's one reason why Jonah didn't want to go to Nineveh because what he was speaking from God wouldn't happen because the people would repent.

Now God speaks to us all (John 10:27) and wants us to prophecy (I Cor 14:1). No believer is going to serve God with no errors.. Not every person prayed for is going to be healed, etc But that doesn't keep us from praying for healing and believing in Him.

False prophets lead people away from God. Matt 24:11, 24; II Pet 2:1

God's prophets do want to hear and speak accurately. What is to be done with a prophetic word, a thus saith the Lord God?. "'Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (I Thess 5:20-21). So what prophets say is to be tested.

Some additional steps are needed to prove all things such as:
-checking it against Scripture (Acts 17:11),
-asking The Holy Spirit and hearing His voice getting confirmation (Matt 18:16; Acts 9;9-19 especially v 10-12; II Cor 13:1)
-fasting,
-spiritual discernment,
-does it point to Yeshua,
-receiving G_dly counsel (Prov 11:14).

Then when it has been proven, there's warfare in the spirit realm. "This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before concerning thee, that thou by them mightest wage a good warfare," I Tm 1:18

Well thank you all for responding you make me feel so much better ... You see I have never been wrong in the half dozen prophesies that I have had in my 35 years as a Christian. In fact I'm not really a prophet I just have Words of Knowledge and Words of Wisdom ... Which if given time later I will post ... but for now I am very much in wonder of why I could be so wrong, but yet like I said I seem to be in good company. I didn't know that about K Copeland or Pat Robertson (Thank you lismore).

I was just sitting in the lobby of my heart surgeon paid for by the VA, when the angel appeared out of no where and plainly stated in simple terms that Trump would be the next POTUS and then give up the office to VP Pence. This was over two years ago and I have stated it, posted it and shared it with as many people as I know (which isn't that many)(by the way they won't let you prophesy here on CF, but I guess it's okay to discuss it if your wrong).

Like mourning dove said maybe it's not over yet, but that big blue USA map keeps being blue and it seems so hard to beileve in a miracle that big ... I know I know the just shall walk by faith not by sight.

 

[lismore]

Hey lismore: Do you have any advice for prophets that know they are called from God as far as not getting words wrong? You mentioned being slow to speak and quick to hear and slow to anger. Do you have any other pieces of advice?

Hello. Maybe some of the other brothers and sisters here will have interesting input, I would only say:

Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others (Philippians 2:3-4)

And sometimes false prophets have the reputation of giving people what they want to hear, rather than what God wants them to hear.

God Bless