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Where Do Complex Organisms Come From?

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Transgenerational inheritance: Models and mechanisms of non–DNA sequence–based inheritance 1

Advances in molecular biology in the second half of the 20th century firmly established DNA sequence as the molecular substrate of inheritance. It appears that biology is much richer: Many phenomena and mechanisms of nongenetic and/or non–DNA sequence–based inheritance have been described in a range of model organisms, challenging our perception of the well-established relationship between transmitted genotype and phenotype. How can we learn more about the mechanism and effects of this extended type of inheritance? A useful distinction is often made between intergenerational and transgenerational inheritance. In the former, the environment of the parent can directly affect germ cells of the offspring.

A number of heritable effects can be modulated by environmental influences. When considering environmentally induced effects, a particular emphasis has been put on nutrition and stress as inducers of nongenetic effects. For example, parental diet can affect the phenotype of the offspring. As shown in one recent study exploring metabolic outcomes in both male and female mice born to parents that consumed a high-fat diet (33). Early life stress is another example for which several rodent models have been reported (35–37). An emphasis on nutritional models in mice might be the consequence of evocative epidemiological studies in humans that suggest maternal and paternal inheritance of nutritional states (38, 39). Although in most of the examples mentioned above the mechanisms of inheritance are unlikely to be DNA sequence–based, with varying strength of evidence, the mode(s) of transmission of nongenetic effects remain to be discovered.

“…a complete understanding of non–DNA sequence–based heritable effects requires a number of components, and we do not currently have the complete picture for any natural example.”

“Many phenomena and mechanisms of nongenetic and/or non–DNA sequence–based inheritance have been described in a range of model organisms, challenging our perception of the well-established relationship between transmitted genotype and phenotype.”

The semiconservative mechanism of DNA replication (40) provides a clear paradigm of how genetic information is faithfully transmitted during each cell division in mitosis and meiosis. This paradigm is so powerful that great emphasis has been placed on replicative inheritance of other information. Due to the well-understood mechanisms associated with the propagation of epigenetic states such as DNA methylation, experiments analyzing epigenetic modifications to DNA and chromatin have proved popular in attempts to explain the heritable memory of environmental experience. In both cases, enzymes have been identified that can “read” a modification and replicate it locally on the newly synthesized strand (in the case of DNA) or can propagate it on newly assembled histones on chromatin (41).

1. Transgenerational inheritance: Models and mechanisms of non–DNA sequence–based inheritance | Science
 
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Where Do Complex Organisms Come From?
At what point does white become black on a grayscale chart? or vice versa?

Once upon a time, lightning struck a rock and out came a simple organism.

Then it divided (or multiplied).

Then eventually they grew an eye, then two, then eight.

Some grew legs and arms, while others grew fins and tentacles.

Now today, all things living ... whether plant or animal ... are in one big war called SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST, where it's last man standing.
 
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Now today, all things living ... whether plant or animal ... are in one big war called SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST, where it's last man standing.

Not at all. The eco-system is a balance. The extinction of a single species could potentially upset the entire system, causing a massive extinction wave that stretches out far beyond the habitat of the species who's extinction was the first domino brick to fall.

That's the opposite of "last man standing". If only one species was left standing - what would it eat?
 
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The fossil record does not support this.
Hello HS.

I agree, the fossil record is the only record of life on this planet.
If it is not recorded in the fossil record, then there is nothing to
discuss. If for example, a species suddenly appears in the fossil record, then that is what is observed. Without the ancestral fossils of any species, no speculative pathway of descent is valid.

There is far too much, theoretical speculation about evolutionary
pathways, which have no justification based on the observed fossil record.

For example, are birds and dinosaurs related?

Currently, the relationship between dinosaurs, Archaeopteryx, and modern birds is still under debate. (Wikipedia)

There is no debate, the fossil record contains no clear transitional record, of any relationship between birds and dinosaurs. The scientific methodology, requires objective evidence, not unclear and controversial fossil evidence.

I repeat, the fossil record is the only record of life on this planet.
Any speculative connecting of the dots is invalid and is a waste of everyone's time. What can be known is contained in the fossil record, what is unknown, is that which is not visible in the fossil record.

Science is concerned with the observed, objective evidence.
 
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Hello HS.

I agree, the fossil record is the only record of life on this planet.
If it is not recorded in the fossil record, then there is nothing to
discuss. If for example, a species suddenly appears in the fossil record, then that is what is observed. Without the ancestral fossils of any species, no speculative pathway of descent is valid.
By that standard, neither is any speculation about special creation.
 
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I agree, the fossil record is the only record of life on this planet.

It's not. There's a genetic record as well.

For example, are birds and dinosaurs related?

An analysis of the collagen fragments recovered from MOR-1125 show that T-Rex is most closely related to birds.
 
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Hello HS.

I agree, the fossil record is the only record of life on this planet.

Oh dear....I see that your arguments have sunk to the lower levels of creationist dishonesty; in this case, the mendacious practice of attempting to isolate just one aspect of evidence and further attempting to portray it as the sole aspect of evidence.

The fossil record is one line of evidence in evolutionary theory.

So is the genetic record.

So is the morphological record.

So is the geological record.

So is the geographical distribution record.

So is the nested hierarchical record.

So is the embryological record.

I imagine that all of these just escaped your memory when you claimed "only record".....?

Yes, I'm sure that was it....


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Oh dear....I see that your arguments have sunk to the lower levels of creationist dishonesty; in this case, the mendacious practice of attempting to isolate just one aspect of evidence and further attempting to portray it as the sole aspect of evidence.

The fossil record is one line of evidence in evolutionary theory.

So is the genetic record.

So is the morphological record.

So is the geological record.

So is the geographical distribution record.

So is the nested hierarchical record.

So is the embryological record.

I imagine that all of these just escaped your memory when you claimed "only record".....?

Yes, I'm sure that was it....


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And the majority of those are based on assumptive theory. None of them prove common ancestor. Once again it is not something that can be proven.
 
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The fossil record is based on faulty dating systems and assumptions.
That's too glib. The fossil record exists. What do you think it is evidence of?
 
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According to traditional Buddhist teachings, complex living organisms are a manifestation of Buddha-nature, the spiritual principle underlying the universe:
The Buddha-nature: the Original Source of All Living Beings

This might not be a satisfying explanation for a non-Buddhist, but someone who isn't already invested in the Darwinian paradigm would question how natural selection acting on random mutations would be responsible for complex features like the human eye.

We have never, in real time, witnessed such complex evolutionary changes. Instead, it's an extrapolation based on the small changes we can witness in the present, like peppered moths or a new species of fruit fly.

Scientists have never actually witnessed, as far as I know, the ability of natural selection acting on random mutation to produce complex features like the human eye. Alfred Russell Wallace, who discovered evolution by natural selection along with Charles Darwin, still believed that complex features like the human eye required some sort of intelligence.
 
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And the majority of those are based on assumptive theory. None of them prove common ancestor. Once again it is not something that can be proven.

And here again we have someone totally ignorant of the scientific method.

"Proven"????


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